[PD] Fwd: no pd?? WTF ????

APO33 info at apo33.org
Wed Jan 4 21:56:15 CET 2012

The important point here, it's that it doesn't cost anything to put pd  
or supercollider on your mac or pc. you download it, install it and  
use it! here we go.
so why those places (institutions, festival...etc), people... decided  
to refuse art project that use free software (free and libre) or  
create facilities, studios...space for artists, musicians,  
students...etc that don't include those softwares? (specially in the  
case of BEK, there are 100% aware of the existence of those software  
as piksel & bek was one entity before).
it sound like a position against free software (more or less clear  
depend the people/institutions...).

Obviously there is different vision of the world, I dunno about  
revolution (not sure about that one either as sevy said) but it looks  
like that there is people out there that are pissed off of the free  
software (specially the freshly floss art community - around 5 to 8  
years more or less) community excluding the artists and programmers  
from the proprietary software community (is there such community?)  
from their institutions(?), festivals, conferences...etc.

It could looks like a vendetta (unconscious?) related to some  
frustration of not being part of the BUZZ ;-) (trying to make a bigger  
one by refusing free software)...

Interesting threat indeed, many of you had heard already some max/msp  
users complaining of not being able to come and present their things  
in some of the festival/symposium/gig/conference...etc out there that  
promote free software...(strongly recommended?)

Do you know any sociologist working on some of those issues? sound  
like a very rich subject!!



> Hello, interesting thread indeed...
> 2012/1/4 Mathieu Bouchard <matju at artengine.ca>
>> Le 2012-01-03 à 21:47:00, Pagano, Patrick a écrit :
>>  Here is btw another call about a Pd workshop BEK held back in 2005.
>>> http://www.bek.no/projects/35-**visiblesoundaudibleimage?**locale=en<http://www.bek.no/projects/35-visiblesoundaudibleimage?locale=en>but that was 7 years  
>>> ago...
>> So, why don't you give more recent examples, to show some kind of
>> continuity ? I know that in seven years, there can be a lot of change of
>> personnel (and thus mentality) in an art centre... I mean, from my own
>> personal experience (5200 km away from BEK).
> The reason I put this was just because I wanted to see if they had anything
> about Pure Data at all in BEK so I put
> "Pure Data" in the search window on the main page at bek.no and that was
> one of few entry that showed up in the search result. I didn´t spend much
> time on that - antd didnt compare with other things thay might have done
> with open source resources. Also agrees and knows institutions and arts
> center changes with the staff involved.
> Found this about the equipment/softwares in some studio of theirs - and
> really they don´t seem to have Pd or other open source resources there:
> http://bek.no/pages/fascilities?locale=en
> Here is what they state under "sound" and "other":
>  *Sound*
> Ableton Live
> Amadeus
> Cubase
> Logic Pro
> Max4Live
> Soundbooth
> Wave Editor
> Wavelab *Other*
> Photoshop CS5
> Illustrator CS5
> Indesign CS5
> Compressor
> iShowU HD Pro
> Max Msp Jitter
> Also, preferably, something with more hours... that's 25 hours, probably
>> minus food time, let's say 20 hours. That's better than most workshops, but
>> there have been significantly longer ones.
>>  In a way it would be cool to just send back this e-mail exchanges to the
>>> call-makers? - so they see how stupid this call is - and anti-productive.
>> Is it stupid or is it just a generous rebate plan from two software
>> companies ? Just an honest question, no insinuations.
> Well, I think so called marketing from software companies could maybe be
> that aggresive (that they can have some specific deals with
> people/institutions receiving generous discounts)... I don´t know about how
> the discussion goes. It would be an interesting topic to lift up. Are there
> huge rebate plans for instituions / schools / - and how are (generally) the
> conditions to receive these?
> Here in Sweden I know that Steinberg has rather hefty rebates of up to 50%
> for students and academic institutions, but they don´t state any exclusive
> conditions for the academic institutions. I think Digidesign (Avid) has
> about the same deals. Institutions & associations that are not academic
> might be another thing with...   (just raising perspectives, know nothing
> about this really)
> All the best,
> Björn Eriksson

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