[PD] [PD-announce] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!

Tue Feb 21 02:29:08 CET 2012

Yeah, its all plugins.  I think the only progress is that someone wrote GLUT support for [gemwin], and Mac OS X supports GLUT.  The rest still need to be done, but maybe could be supported by gmerlin.

.hc

On Feb 20, 2012, at 6:47 PM, m.e.grimm wrote:

> just wondering. how far has this has gone so far? anywhere?
> 
>> gemwin, pix_video, pix_film, pix_image: use 64-bit API to replace Quicktime
> 
> BTW is this all done with a Gem plugin now? is that the idea? just to
> write a plugin for qtkit?
> 
> m
> 
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at> wrote:
>> 
>> You're using the 64-bit Mac OS X version.  That won't be a full release in
>> 0.43 since there are some issues porting things away from Carbon that won't
>> be resolved in time.  The 64-bit version means you can address huge amounts
>> of memory, but with 0.43 it means you will not have:
>> 
>> - Gem
>> - pdp
>> - gem2pdp
>> - tclpd
>> - hid
>> 
>> Other than that, everything should work fine.  If anyone is interested in
>> getting any of the above working on Mac OS X 64-bit sooner rather than
>> later, I can point them where to work.  Here's the general idea, in rough
>> order of how much work it'd take:
>> 
>> pdp_qt, pdp_ieee1394: use 64-bit API to replace Quicktime and Carbon calls
>> tclpd: make Pd work with Tk/Cocoa
>> hid: use 64-bit API to replace Carbon calls
>> gemwin, pix_video, pix_film, pix_image: use 64-bit API to replace Quicktime
>> and Carbon calls
>> gem2pdp: get Gem and pdp built
>> 
>> .hc
>> 
>> On Feb 18, 2012, at 1:00 AM, Rich E wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Hans!
>> 
>> I just tried on OS X Lion and got the following errors upon startup:
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>> /Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120217.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/tclpd/tclpd.pd_darwin:
>> dlopen(/Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120217.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/tclpd/tclpd.pd_darwin,
>> 10): Symbol not found: _TclFreeObj
>>   Referenced from:
>> /Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120217.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/tclpd/tclpd.pd_darwin
>>   Expected in: dynamic lookup
>> 
>> /Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120217.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../startup/tclpd:
>> can't load startup library'!
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>> Pretty fast startup though. :)
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Rich
>> 
>> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Lorenzo Sutton <lorenzofsutton at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you! Great news installed it and playing with it. Very good.
>>> 
>>> Lorenzo.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 17/02/2012 21:02, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://at.or.at/hans/blog/2012/02/17/new-editing-feature-of-pd-extended-0-43-now-in-beta/
>>>> 
>>>> The Pd-extended 0.43 release has been brewing an extra long time, about
>>>> 18 months now, mostly because there are lots of big improvements, and we
>>>> wanted to make sure we got it right, so your patches all work, but the
>>>> improvements all shine. Its now solidly beta, so we’re looking for testers.
>>>> Download a nightly build to try here:
>>>> 
>>>> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/
>>>> 
>>>> First off, the pd-gui side of Pd has been re-written from scratch. When
>>>> you run Pd, you are actually running two programs: pd is the core engine and
>>>> pd-gui is the GUI. Since basically all computers now come with multiple CPU
>>>> cores, this means that pd-gui will usually run on a separate CPU core than
>>>> pd, so they don’t step on each other’s toes. pd can entirely take over its
>>>> own core. If you want to make your patch use more CPU cores, then check out
>>>> the [pd~] object introduced in the last release (0.42.5).
>>>> 
>>>> pd still handles some of the GUI stuff, but we are working on splitting
>>>> that out for the 0.44 release. That is a big chunk of work but it will also
>>>> bring big gains. In particular, it means that it will be possible for people
>>>> to write their own GUIs for Pd, covering not just the display of the patch,
>>>> but also the editing, and everything else. You like OpenFrameworks, python,
>>>> iOS, JUCE, Qt, etc.? Write your own pd-gui using the toolkit of your choice.
>>>> That’s the idea at least. That will take a solid chunk of work, so we are
>>>> looking for people to join that effort.
>>>> 
>>>> There are so many ideas for making a better editing experience in Pd,
>>>> this release makes big strides to address the editing experience. There are
>>>> new features like Magic Glass, Autotips, Autopatch and Perf Mode, all
>>>> available on the Edit menu.
>>>> 
>>>> • Magic Glass let’s you magically see the messages as they pass through
>>>> the cords. Just turn it on and hover above a cord, and you’ll see the
>>>> messages as they go by. You can even look at signal/audio cords.
>>>> 
>>>> • Autotips gives you tips about what an object does, what its inlet
>>>> expects, and what comes out of the outlets.
>>>> 
>>>> • Autopatch mode automatically connects objects as you create them.
>>>> 
>>>> • Perf Mode, is a mode for performance that makes it harder to
>>>> accidentally close windows that are part of your performance.
>>>> 
>>>> The Pd Window is also majorly overhauled. First of all, its fast. Much
>>>> much faster than the old one. You can now print thousands of messages per
>>>> second to the Pd Window and still edit your patch. No more will an
>>>> accidental dump of info cause the GUI to freeze up (well, ok, maybe if you
>>>> send 10,000 messages/second but that is a way too many). There are also now
>>>> 5 levels of printing messages to the Pd Window: fatal, error, normal, debug,
>>>> all. If you are only interested in fatal errors, switch the Pd Window to 0 –
>>>> fatal, and you’ll only see the worst problems. You want to see every single
>>>> message to debug? Switch to 4 – all, and you’ll get the whole firehose.
>>>> 
>>>> There is also the new log library, which lets you easily send messages
>>>> for those different levels. And all messages logged with the objects from
>>>> the log library are clickable: when you Ctrl-Click or Cmd-click (Mac OS X)
>>>> on the line in the Pd Window, it’ll pop up the patch where the message came
>>>> from, and highlight the specific object that printed it. That even works for
>>>> many messages from other objects as well.
>>>> 
>>>> The Pd Window also includes very basic level meters for monitoring the
>>>> input and output levels. And for those who want to play with the GUI in
>>>> realtime, you can type Tcl code in the Tcl entry field, and directly modify
>>>> and probe the running GUI.
>>>> 
>>>> One thing that you can do now is customize the GUI using GUI plugins. You
>>>> can change all sorts of colors, some fonts, and many behaviors. Want to
>>>> create a new object when you triple-click? Try the tripleclick example
>>>> plugin Want to make the patch cords disappear when you leave Edit Mode?
>>>> Check out the “only show cords in edit mode” example. Those are the simple
>>>> ones. There is also Tab Completion, a search engine for the docs, a category
>>>> browser for the right-click menu, a buttonbar for creating objects, and
>>>> more.
>>>> 
>>>> You can find many GUI plugins in the new section of the downloads page as
>>>> well as documentation for making your own. What kind of GUI plugin will
>>>> write?
>>>> 
>>>> 
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