[PD] translate the Start Here! page

[Jonathan Wilkes]

----- Original Message -----

> From: João Pais <jmmmpais at googlemail.com>
> To: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>; Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
> Cc: Pd List <pd-list at iem.at>
> Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 4:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [PD] translate the Start Here! page
> 
> for whom it interests, I was the one putting that list up - a short version of 
> my own xls file made through copy-pasting - and I always agreed that the fixed 
> format was the worse way to nail the "moving target". but I have no 
> knowledge to do it better, so it had to be done that way, and apparently many 
> people did used it (even though it was never complete).
> if possible, I can help in any way of improving this reference, including taking 
> it down. the only thing I won't do is more copy-pasting, because it is 
> really irrelevant. but as I don't have any batching knowledge, the best I 
> can do is to check for libraries missing meta data (including mine), etc. Or do 
> portuguese desserts for whoever wants to work (http://tinyurl.com/blyqgsc).
> 
> for the categorization of the pd objects, I would suggest something else: to 
> expand the list of categories, either with more categories, or with 
> subcategories. the list from vanilla is very general, even for the vanilla 
> objects. To have few categories with too many objects in them isn't really a 
> big help in sorting out the objects. But that would be the discussion of a new 
> thread.

You can see the categories if you scroll down to the bottom of the search plugin.
They aren't hierarchical so there's no need for sub-categories.

These are just categories I came up with off the top of my head.  Feel free to
suggest additions, deletions, better descriptions, or any objects I may have
missed.

-Jonathan

> 
> 
>>  On Jan 5, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>> 
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>> 
>>>>  From: Ed Kelly <morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>  To: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>; Hans-Christoph 
> Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
>>>>  Cc: Pd List <pd-list at iem.at>
>>>>  Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 5:18 PM
>>>>  Subject: Re: [PD] translate the Start Here! page
>>>> 
>>>>  OK, no need to fight. This is about a version of Pd-extended that 
> has been a
>>>>  very long time coming, that had many issues to resolve, that went 
> offline and
>>>>  was unavailable at the start of the workshops I teach. I also 
> can't get my
>>>>  students to download a version of Pd-extended that isn't 
> finished and
>>>>  won't run on their machine. This is their first experience of 
> programming.
>>>>  They'll give up straight away!
>>> 
>>>  Of course.  I'm just giving you a beginner's perspective;  
> it's my own
>>>  memory of that perspective that drives me to work on tools which are 
> currently
>>>  only marginally useful to me personally.  The supermajority of 
> discontent
>>>  among your students tells me that this perspective hasn't changed 
> much.
>>>  By far, that is currently the fault of the software-- the documentation 
> is
>>>  currently too slim and core pd building blocks (and interface) too 
> crude
>>>  for the question "how do I find more objects" to be anything 
> like an ancillary
>>>  question.
>>> 
>>>  A static out-of-date list is better than nothing, but as far as 
> potential dev
>>>  energy I'd really rather see that put into core docs like the ones 
> listed
>>>  on the bug tracker, which are extremely lacking.  That FLOSS list will 
> hopefully
>>>  become obsolete, but the help docs won't-- even if they're 
> dropped from
>>>  Pd-extended they're still publicly available.
>>> 
>>>  -Jonathan
>> 
>>  While I have agreed and disagreed with various points in this discussion, I 
> think Jonathan's two paragraphs above sum up my feelings on this topic too.  
> Jonathan has put together a really great system for help from the meta data to 
> the search plugin, now we need to put actual content and meta data in our help 
> patches and it'll all be findable in a multitude of ways.  All this could 
> even be used to generate the static listing in the FLOSS manuals: just take the 
> object name, then get the library and description from the [pd META].
>> 
>>  .hc
>> 
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