[PD] Changing the defaul language in 0.43

Sat Feb 23 09:52:06 CET 2013

That sounds hopeful! Even though I am far from a coder to consider
starting to propose some changes.

How are the normal procedures when something new is implemented as a
GUI preference?
Are there someone coming up with some code suggestions and then tests
of that - - - or are there a place to put an idea like this, in a list
- a wishlist - and then someone sooner or later possible takes on a
coding task - or is it "here" or at "pd-developments" list a think
like this is proposed and discussed?

Sorry for a multitude of questions?

Speaking of the importance of a language selector, I would put it
rather high. By some "default" mechanisms we speak english here on
this list - to maybe 99.5%, and that it also a good thing as it acts
as an interface between languages, but also when you are learning
totally new aspects (as we can expect some of Pd newcomers to be) then
it can be really helpful to have a learning process more near a native
language. The best of it would be if the language selector could be
instantly flushing to the new language, like that there can be an
enhanced understanding when comparing menues and menue selections as
you see the language change and can compare between languages that you
are more or less familiar with.

I hope my idea don´t sound too complicated. Also I wish there is a
wishlist. Otherwise it is here above.

All the best,
Björn Eriksson

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at> wrote:
>
> I don't think it would be super complicated to implement.  I think the easiest
> way would be to implement it as a GUI preference, so that would be all Tcl
> code.  Check out pd/tcl/pd_guiprefs.tcl for the API.  And you can see
> load_locale in tcl/pd-gui.tcl
>
> .hc
>
> On 02/21/2013 02:36 AM, Björn Eriksson wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I am following this thread with interest and step by step starting to
>> understand the implications.
>> Just a curious wonder... is it very complicated to implement a new
>> functionality where a specific .msg file is selected and wanted
>> language choosen, at least temporarily until next active choice?
>>
>> Realize it´s not there... but thinking ahead.
>>
>> /Björn Eriksson
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm going to CC the list in case anyone else wants to change this value.
>>>
>>> Tcl looks at HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\International\locale in particular.  Its a number.  This is not Pd-specific, I imagine its used by lots of apps, and perhaps even the system itself.  I wouldn't recommend changing it directly, it might mess things up.  There should be a way to change the Windows system so that it is set properly in English.
>>>
>>> If you really just want to force Pd-extended to be in English, the safest route is to delete all the .msg files in  \Program Files\pd\po
>>>
>>> .hc
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 20, 2013, at 1:34 AM, rene beekman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hans, I'm replyting off-list so we don't burden the list with this.
>>>> Attached are screenshots from the registry entries on two of the
>>>> machines. As you can see from the menus of regedit itself, the OS is
>>>> running in English, though I am not sure where that is set in the
>>>> International settings.
>>>> Some of the other machines (I'm waiting for their owners to mail the
>>>> screenshots to me) have localeName set to en_US en location to US, but
>>>> Pd still opens in Bulgarian.
>>>> I'll send the other screenshots when I get them.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Rene
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Run 'regedit' in the Run command thing on the start menu, and look for:
>>>>>
>>>>> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\International
>>>>>
>>>>> .hc
>>>>>
>>>>> On 02/18/2013 12:57 AM, rene beekman wrote:
>>>>>> Hans, thanks for the reply
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the Mac it works for me.
>>>>>> Applelocale reports en_BG and Pd properly shows up in English.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The windows machines I will be able to check tomorrow evening.
>>>>>> How do I find the proper registry keys there?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:54:35 -0500
>>>>>>> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PD] Changing the defaul language in 0.43
>>>>>>> To: pd-list at iem.at
>>>>>>> Message-ID: <511E4C2B.2030908 at at.or.at>
>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pd-extended should use the same language that the user is using.  If not, its
>>>>>>> a bug.  Pd-extended on Mac OS X looks at what language the Dock is configured
>>>>>>> in and uses that.  Apparently, this is not reliable, since I guess people buy
>>>>>>> systems in one language, then use them in another, and the Dock doesn't seem
>>>>>>> to respect that change.  You can check the language of your Dock and your
>>>>>>> global locale by running this in the Terminal:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> defaults read com.apple.dock loc
>>>>>>> defaults read NSGlobalDomain AppleLocale
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The easiest fix it to probably set the language of the Dock like this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> defaults write com.apple.dock loc en_US
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have no idea why its failing on Windows, maybe for a similar reason.  As far
>>>>>>> as I could tell, Pd-extended uses the 'proper' registry value:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\International
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could you send the value of that registry key on machines that fail to respect
>>>>>>> the user setting?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .hc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 02/15/2013 01:03 AM, rene beekman wrote:
>>>>>>>> How do I set / change the default language on both Windoze and Mac for 0.43
>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>> I don't have a Windoze machine myself, so can't test there, but the readme
>>>>>>>> for the Mac version does not say anything about it. There also seems to be
>>>>>>>> no setting in the preference file for this (or at least none that I could
>>>>>>>> find).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I searched the list-archives and the "best" instruction I found was to
>>>>>>>> delete all .msg files inside /po, which seems a bit crude to me.
>>>>>>>> Is there a more elegant way to do this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I understand from an older discussion that the assumption was that
>>>>>>>> "non-technical" people were assumed to want to use Pd in their native
>>>>>>>> language. I did installs this week on about a dozen machines
>>>>>>>> and apparently they all belonged to "non-technical" people, even though
>>>>>>>> every single one of them runs all software on their machine in English
>>>>>>>> only... Wouldn't it be wiser to assume that whatever the language is that
>>>>>>>> the OS is running in, is also the language that people really want to use
>>>>>>>> their software in?
>>>>>>>> Just my two cents.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> <a.png><b.png><registry editor.jpg><registry editor2.jpg>
>>>
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