[PD] Echo supressor.

[Mario Mey]

Yes, as I said in the mail, not only the the time of the delay is very 
very short that it would be very difficult for me to find "at hand", 
also, as you say, this time would be variable. My system don't work... I 
knew it.

I took a look to some pages (*), but I only understand... the title of 
the mails and the PDF filename. The texts are chinese for me. I didn't 
know that echo cancellation is, as Peter Parker said, "quite a 
substantial topic"... and it is out of my hands to try different EC 
systems. No time, no knowledge, no time... no time.

Also, there's http://grh.mur.at/software/adaptive.html... but I don't 
know how to test it.

I made a diagram of my system... if anyone knows which echo cancellation 
system would work for me... I would reallly appreciate it.

Thank you.

(*)
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general/63658
https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~eberdahl/Projects/FeedbackCancellation/FeedbackCancellation.pdf
Peter Parker sent me this link, but I have to pay to see it: 
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpls/abs_all.jsp?arnumber=1146062.

El 04/05/15 a las 13:48, Spencer Russell escibió:
> You're not likely to get very good results with just a single delay. The
> way these systems normally work (e.g. on phones and conferencing
> systems) is to continuously estimate the transfer function between the
> speaker and the microphone (impulse response in the time domain). Then
> you take the received signal, convolve it with the inverse of the
> impulse response, and mix it into the signal you receive from the
> microphone.
>
> The diagram at the bottom of this page[1] is a pretty good one to
> understand what's going on.
>
> -s
>
> http://www.speex.org/docs/manual/speex-manual/node4.html
> On Mon, May 4, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Mario Mey wrote:
>> Hi, there. 2 years ago, I created this thread on the forum: 
>> http://forum.pdpatchrepo.info/topic/7340/echo-supressor. After 
>> talking about dBs, I thought I acchived what I was looking for. But 
>> no. Nor close.
>> My last non-replied post on september 2014 says:
>>
>> /Bringing back to life an old thread... I tried to make this patch 
>> work LIVE... and it is not as thought./
>>
>> /To make this patch work (*1), I should find the perfect delay to 
>> suppress the audio. Using 44100, the delay time can vary in 0.0226ms. 
>> So... it's almost impossible to get that. I only acchieve a flanger, 
>> nothing else./
>>
>> /In the first Patch-Circle done in Argentina last Saturday, I talked 
>> with Pablo E. Riera about this and he told me about the adaptive 
>> external and the echo cancellation example... but there is no example 
>> like that (only intereference cancellation)./
>>
>> /I will explain again (*2): the operator has a microphone (using one 
>> channel of input) and it sounds in a LCD (far away) (using one 
>> channel of output). Above the LCD I have a mic (second channel of 
>> input). This mic takes what the audience says and send to the 
>> operator headphones (second channel of output). The operator hears 
>> her own voice (with a delay). I want to supress this "return". It 
>> doesn't matter the latency, I just don't want the operator to hear 
>> her/him voice./
>>
>> /I would need something that learn from the first microphone and get 
>> rid of what the second mic takes./
>>
>> /I hope being clear in my explanation. Thanks in advace./
>>
>> (*1): the patch is in the thread. It does something like this: it 
>> takes the microphone (channel one), invert the wave (by using [*~ 
>> -1]), it uses a delayline to synch (because of the latency) and mix 
>> with the output. The intention is, obviously, suppress the microphone 
>> after been listened by the second microphone.
>>
>> [adc~]
>> | \
>> | [delwrite~ echo-supressor-A 1000]
>> |
>> [delwrite~ echo-supressor-B 1000]
>>
>>
>> [Hslider] # to synch. It depends on latency (it would have to be 
>> exact, here is the problem!)
>> |
>> [vd~ echo_supressor-A]
>> |
>> [*~ -1]
>> |
>> |   [vd~ echo_supressor-B 1]
>> |   /
>> [+~]
>> |
>> [dac~]
>>
>> (*2): I just updated the explanation
>> How can I acchieve an echo suppresor? Is this possible?
>> If I'm not clear in my explanation, please tell me. Thanks.
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