[PD] Nettles. Was: cyclone/maxmode functionality usage
Alexandre Torres Porres
porres at gmail.com
Fri Jun 12 04:34:07 CEST 2015
Howdy, maybe this got lost amongst the millions of message I've been
sending, sorry to insist, but I'm really curious about it.
Moreover, as long as we're on it, I've been creating some abstractions as
clones of max objects, I was able to do most of these nestles, and also
[scale] / [scale~] and I just did [rect~] and [tri~]. I wonder if I could
propose them to be included in cyclone, or if it has to be objects.
Cheers
2015-06-07 9:41 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <porres at gmail.com>:
> yeah, I can't load these objects for some reason, I wonder why is that,
> I'm on mac os and extended 42, any idea?
>
> I didn't know they were in cyclone... But I remember we discussed about
> them, not all of them are part of zexy actually. Zexy's only got 3 out of
> these, whixh are: <~, >~ and ==~
>
> It doesn't have the remaining 9 objects: !-, !/, !-~, !/~, !=~, <=~,
> >=~, %~, +=~
>
> I think it's nice to have them, specially the [+=~] object which I didn't
> know about.
>
> So, the [maxmode] object loads these other objects, huh? I tried loading
> them with it and nothing happened.
>
> It seems weird to me that they have to depend on [maxmode], why can't you
> just get their code and make it available outside [maxmode]?
>
> cheers
>
>
> 2015-06-07 8:55 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan at xs4all.nl>:
>
>> Hi Alexandre,
>>
>> The nettles are the cyclone bin-ops objects we discussed before:
>> !-, !/, ==~, !=~, <~, <=~, >~, >=~, !-~, !/~, %~, +=~
>> They are part of the cyclone library object, which may or may not be
>> part of your distribution. The source code is in
>> externals/miXed/cyclone/shadow/nettles.c, hence the name.
>>
>> As it is a subset of what is in zexy, it is not very important to make
>> them available again.
>>
>> Here a link to my copy of the original cyclone page:
>>
>> http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html
>> .
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Fred Jan
>>
>> On 2015-06-06 01:06 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
>> > So [maxmode] basically loads useless empty "dummy" objects for more
>> > compability.
>> >
>> > Well, my two cents is that the idea of having a library with several
>> > objects that exist in Max and not in Pd is great and awesome. It serves
>> > well in making both worlds somewhat compatible. But regarding opening
>> > the same files/patches, MAX and PD are just growing out to be very
>> > incompatible projects, so it's rather healthy to forget about forcing
>> > any compatibility of this type - it's just insane. It may have been
>> > reasonable back in MAX 4.6, but nowadays, with MAX 7 and everything,
>> > seems pointless.
>> >
>> > More than that, to answer your question, it's pretty obvious to me that
>> > no human being is using this...
>> >
>> > Now, please tell about these /bin-ops //"nettles"/, what are these?
>> >
>> > cheers
>> >
>> > 2015-06-05 18:15 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan at xs4all.nl
>> > <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl>>:
>> >
>> > Hi Alexandre,
>> >
>> > >> No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related
>> > >> library objects will not be build anymore.
>> > >
>> > > So it'll remove many objects from the library, right?
>> >
>> > What will be removed is the actual maxmode object, the bin-ops
>> > "nettles", ~150 dummy objects and the hammer and sickle libraries.
>> The
>> > hammer and sickle libraries contain the objects which are also
>> available
>> > as separate objects.
>> > >
>> > > I'm having a hard time understanding this [maxmode] thing/object,
>> can
>> > > you give us an example on how to use it?
>> >
>> > As I understand it, the purpose of the [maxmode] object is to make
>> > importing and converting Max/MSP 4.6 patches more convenient. The
>> dummy
>> > objects do not do anything, but the patch will load without errors.
>> The
>> > idea is to replace the dummies with abstractions or other objects.
>> The
>> > dummies were the objects in Max/MSP4.6 but not in Pd-vanilla or
>> cyclone.
>> >
>> > It might have made sense when Max/MSP 4.6 were common, but that is a
>> > long time ago.
>> >
>> > The original cyclone page is gone from the site, but I made a copy
>> just
>> > in time:
>> >
>> http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html
>> .
>> >
>> > >
>> > > cheers
>> >
>> > Greetings,
>> >
>> > Fred Jan
>> > >
>> > > 2015-05-01 17:48 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan at xs4all.nl
>> <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl>
>> > > <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl>>>:
>> > >
>> > > Hi All,
>> > >
>> > > Is anyone using the 'maxmode' object and functionality of the
>> > > Cyclone library?
>> > >
>> > > The maxmode adds 162 dummy objects, which make importing of
>> Max/MSP
>> > > patches more convenient. Note these are Max/MSP 4.6 patches,
>> already
>> > > supported in Pd-vanilla, not the more recent file formats. In
>> > > addition several binop signal objects are loaded, the message
>> and
>> > > signal objects are loaded from library objects. Normal
>> cyclone usage
>> > > are individual objects.
>> > >
>> > > Because we are planning to switch to a new build system,
>> usable for all
>> > > Puredata external libraries, it would be an opportunity to
>> simplify the
>> > > building process and remove potential unused functionality.
>> > >
>> > > No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related
>> library
>> > > objects will not be build anymore.
>> > >
>> > > Fred Jan
>> > >
>> > > P.S. The original cyclone page went off-line sometime this
>> year, but
>> > > here is a copy:
>> > >
>> http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html
>> > >
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