[PD] Help Patches Layout

[Esteban Viveros]

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> If you are determined to update all the docs to reflect this change, don't
> forget the PD_META which currently requires the use of 0 as the first
> inlet. Updating tooltips will also require changes accommodate for this
> alteration.
>

I did not attack me so... Rename in there have some implication? If no, I
will start to rename...


> Best,
>
> Ico
>
>
> On 3/17/2016 1:13 PM, Esteban Viveros wrote:
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> Thanks Roman for explanations.. good trim the edges of naming things in
> order to eliminate future confusion.
>
> Ivica, I'm thinking in order to provide a relatively see and understand
> for help patch user. Is really necessary expose a new user to this
> problematics?
>
> I'm thinking which not every pd user must be a programmer (at least
> initially), and probably be an artist... (perhaps), thinking this I
> understand the principal goal of the user is to make thinks work, and to
> use the send a message to this object he needs do use $1  $2 $3, if he use
> $0 pd will do other thing.. So name outlets in Help from 0 require one more
> step for who are learning many more steps...  (please correct me if I'm
> wrong with regard to the behavior pd)
>
> Finally, open and edit patch by patch I'm already doing.. Rename inlets
> and outlets I can make like meditation! :P
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> I'm question for these because I know pdL2ork have other libraries and
> have change something like this have consequences. But anyway, if needed I
> can modify some more patches. :) Only it will have some time.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Em qui, 17 de mar de 2016 às 13:26, Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico at vt.edu>
> escreveu:
>
>> Here's my $0-cents worth. This is an eternal struggle in the world'o'comp
>> sci. We need to wrap our heads around the fact that 0 is the 1st number in
>> any kind of data container, whether it be value or ordinal position. Yet,
>> as humans we prefer 1 to be that first number, reserving 0 as the special
>> case value. So, you could make the case either way arguing for consistency,
>> intuitiveness, aliens, whatever. Another consideration within the pd*
>> ecosystem is that it is 0-centric, meaning things tend to start with $0
>> (patch instance) before they get to $1. Then again, $1 refers to the first
>> arg, so you could argue it may be inconsistent... etc. etc. etc.
>>
>> On the practical side, renaming inlets would mean going through every
>> last help file and ensuring it has been updated accordingly, otherwise you
>> would be just adding to more confusion as newcomers learn that some help
>> files refer to the first inlet as 0 and others as 1...
>>
>>
>> On 3/17/2016 11:49 AM, Esteban Viveros wrote:
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>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm with Porres in Cyclone maintenance working on revision of some Help
>> patches.
>>
>> The question is: Why count inlets and outlets from zero if Pd user have
>> to call inlets and outlets from $1 $2 $3... ? For help patch user don't be
>> more convenient enumerate inlets and outlets starting at number 1?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
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