[PD] Help Patches Layout

[Ivica Ico Bukvic]

As an alternative idea, perhaps one of the early pd tutorials (e.g. 
introduction) could simply elaborate how the inlets are numbered which 
could be a considerably easier solution.

If you are determined to update all the docs to reflect this change, 
don't forget the PD_META which currently requires the use of 0 as the 
first inlet. Updating tooltips will also require changes accommodate for 
this alteration.

Best,

Ico

On 3/17/2016 1:13 PM, Esteban Viveros wrote:
> Thanks Roman for explanations.. good trim the edges of naming things 
> in order to eliminate future confusion.
>
> Ivica, I'm thinking in order to provide a relatively see and 
> understand for help patch user. Is really necessary expose a new user 
> to this problematics?
>
> I'm thinking which not every pd user must be a programmer (at least 
> initially), and probably be an artist... (perhaps), thinking this I 
> understand the principal goal of the user is to make thinks work, and 
> to use the send a message to this object he needs do use $1  $2 $3, if 
> he use $0 pd will do other thing.. So name outlets in Help from 0 
> require one more step for who are learning many more steps...  (please 
> correct me if I'm wrong with regard to the behavior pd)
>
> Finally, open and edit patch by patch I'm already doing.. Rename 
> inlets and outlets I can make like meditation! :P
>
> I'm question for these because I know pdL2ork have other libraries and 
> have change something like this have consequences. But anyway, if 
> needed I can modify some more patches. :) Only it will have some time.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Em qui, 17 de mar de 2016 às 13:26, Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico at vt.edu 
> <mailto:ico at vt.edu>> escreveu:
>
>     Here's my $0-cents worth. This is an eternal struggle in the
>     world'o'comp sci. We need to wrap our heads around the fact that 0
>     is the 1st number in any kind of data container, whether it be
>     value or ordinal position. Yet, as humans we prefer 1 to be that
>     first number, reserving 0 as the special case value. So, you could
>     make the case either way arguing for consistency, intuitiveness,
>     aliens, whatever. Another consideration within the pd* ecosystem
>     is that it is 0-centric, meaning things tend to start with $0
>     (patch instance) before they get to $1. Then again, $1 refers to
>     the first arg, so you could argue it may be inconsistent... etc.
>     etc. etc.
>
>     On the practical side, renaming inlets would mean going through
>     every last help file and ensuring it has been updated accordingly,
>     otherwise you would be just adding to more confusion as newcomers
>     learn that some help files refer to the first inlet as 0 and
>     others as 1...
>
>
>     On 3/17/2016 11:49 AM, Esteban Viveros wrote:
>>     Hi,
>>
>>     I'm with Porres in Cyclone maintenance working on revision of
>>     some Help patches.
>>
>>     The question is: Why count inlets and outlets from zero if Pd
>>     user have to call inlets and outlets from $1 $2 $3... ? For help
>>     patch user don't be more convenient enumerate inlets and outlets
>>     starting at number 1?
>>
>>     Cheers
>>
>>
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