[PD] kyma x pd and others?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

All this discussion makes me wonder about relative things such as dedicated
DSP hardware for audio that's still out there in the market. Which are
they??? How relevent are they these days?

btw, I found a fun post to read on this thread: it's the 4th post,
automatically linked here:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electronic-music-production/343085-kyma-compared-max-msp-nord-modular.html#post3656903


2016-08-22 16:52 GMT-03:00 Matt Barber <brbrofsvl at gmail.com>:

> Joel Chadabe is among the composers using Kyma for whatever we're calling
> "contemporary classical music" these days. I think there are some videos of
> him demonstrating it, and there are certainly recordings of his
> compositions. I remember a performance of a drumset and Kyma piece of his
> that had almost ridiculously low latency – the drummer improvises and the
> Kyma responds VERY fast.
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Jesse Mejia <jmejia at anestheticaudio.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I don't have experience with Kyma but have always been curious. I assume
>> there are some nice proprietary algos that are what you're paying for (like
>> buying lexicon or eventide hardware) - along with a presumably nice ui. The
>> dsp hardware specs of those types of effects are often unpublished - but
>> they also have a fixed and limited feature set so the hardware only has to
>> be good enough to pull that off.
>>
>> I'd be curious to hear if there are some specific algorithms that Kyma
>> users love / keep returning to etc. I teach at an institution that was
>> recently considering purchasing one - my advice so far had been against it
>> considering that they've already invested in max - but maybe it's more akin
>> to buying a way more flexible eventide harmonizer etc?
>>
>> It would also be cool to see pd patches that attempt to replicate beloved
>> Kyma routines.
>>
>> -Jesse
>>
>> On Aug 22, 2016, at 5:58 AM, Marco Matteo Markidis <mm.markidis at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> honestly I never used Kyma. Anyway, I realized a port to Pd of a
>> composition of Agostino Di Scipio born in Kyma. Apart all technical and
>> aesthetic problems due to the different implementation, my opinion is that,
>> in this specific case, Pd can perform all tasks with no CPU problem and
>> with a reasonable sound quality.
>>
>> So maybe Kyma was excellent at the 2000's beginning, when laptops were
>> not so powerful.
>>
>> These are my two cents :)
>>
>> See you guys,
>>
>> Marco
>>
>> 2016-08-22 6:09 GMT+02:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <porres at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hi, any of you guys into Kyma? So many questions about this thing I've
>>> never seen...
>>>
>>>
>>> It's quite expensive and I wonder where the buck goes to... software
>>> design? User experience? Whatever it is, it doesn't seem its dedicated
>>> hardware justifies even half the cost... c'mon, 3k for what kinds of
>>> processors? They won't even tell what kind of processors they are... the
>>> lack of transparency is such that the only specs of the processor is
>>> measured in "capstones" whatever that is...
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok, it might be the best thing since cheese, but they don't put any real
>>> effort in selling with actual numbers/data... which raises so many
>>> questions...
>>>
>>>
>>> since there's nothing else apparently today that has dedicated hardware
>>> for audio, I can only imagine that a dedicated hardware makes sense for a
>>> little less latency, which is also not a big deal these days...
>>>
>>>
>>> A dedicated low latency hardware like 'Bela' (less than 0.5ms) is much
>>> cheaper, does the price of kyma reflect a corresponding power in relation
>>> to its cost difference?
>>>
>>>
>>> So it seems the price is more about the convenience, the user
>>> experience and the software...
>>>
>>>
>>> now, since I'm here, what can it do that pd can't? Or any other plugin /
>>> computer music tool out there, IRCAM stuff icluded... Csound, Supercollider
>>> et all?
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
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