[PD] Free/Open Bounties
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Tue Nov 13 08:29:27 CET 2018
part of the freedom of opensource developement is for many, that they can focus on what they are interested in.
and there are no obligations.
if money is involved that becomes more complex quite fast.
that is not to say, that opensource devs should not be paid, just that some may not want to accept any money.
> On 12 Nov 2018, at 23:15, Johnny Mauser via Pd-list <pd-list at lists.iem.at> wrote:
> I also want to support the use of the (Gem-) money! I made money with Gem so i thought it is time to give back (and support my own selfish future money making) with giving to Gem bounty. I very much am thinking like Julian, i want the money to be used by Gem devs instead of bounty source. Also i like the idea of software to be developed in way where everybody contributes as much as wanted and with individual possibilities.
> If that is with academia nuts where an institution is paying for developement to raise common practical knowledge, even better. But if that is not possible for some reason, i find it no harm that private money helps to climp a nessessary step. In our Case no supperiour institution takes over, just the little asskick for an awsome product needs to be made.
> Institutions can be friendly to open source products, but for sertain developments on proprietary platforms an extra push can be needed. The whole community would benifit from Osx 64bit Gem; more up to date users, more recognition, more interchangeability between platforms. But of course someone needs to do it! Someone who is not "starting from zero“ (in dev coding: like me). Ideal: someone where the bounty money fits into the buiseness plan. "1-2 weeks work for 1000$“ for the developement of the great Pd. But else: please, academian paid programming wizzards, please take a deep sigh, oil your fingers and code the nessessary black box. Take the money and make a big party, give it to your favourite doctor to attest your mental sickness for your absents of work, pay the wedding ring with „Pd“ engraving, or give me the money to massage you while writing the necessary lines of code, pay your normal live with it, or organize the next Pd convention.
> no huhu, i got carried away. many words for a simple message: I love Pd (+Gem) and would love to continue to love a living creature.
> Am Mo., 12. Nov. 2018, 19:34 hat João Pais <jmmmpais at gmail.com <mailto:jmmmpais at gmail.com>> geschrieben:
> A small personal tale: some years ago I needed help to have an external for the leapmotion - I was willing to pay for it, as someone would have to dedicate time and work for it. In the end no one even replied to my calls, so the thing had to rest. Some years later, it eventually worked when Chikashi did the coding and now the code is there for anyone who wants to use and abuse it. If at some point I need an upgrade, the cycle will repeat again.
> I don't understand why this issue should be polarising: if I/anyone need something that doesn't exist and I can't do it myself, someone else has to create it. It's not reasonable of me to expect that someone will sit down for it and put aside her/his own priorities because of mine. Specially if it's an experienced professional which will offer good solutions - and that professional surely has a rent to pay, family, and might not want to work for google or amazon.
> Specially in this community, without someone's support there would be no Pd to discuss about - and also several of it's externals (correct me if I'm wrong). There wouldn't even be a mailing list, as it's hosted by an institution.
> And if someone is against these politics, they can always refuse to use the code that is generated from it?
> Antoine & Alexandre - the GEM issue requires resolving quickly: GEM-devs/ IOhannes, take the goddam cash!! (and redistribute it accordingly:)
> P.A. - Yes indeed, agreed re academia, though have to say, more and more, it appears it's the 'top-end' of institutions, which provide such space/time & opportunities. Perhaps we can say that those working within academia and/or large software-based businesses (it's seemingly mainly larger orgs) have already forged some equilibrium regarding F/L/O production and contributions theein. Value may take many forms (most often post-hard_cash), particularly when it may be measured.
> I guess my questioning regarding the usefulness of bounties is in the prodding of the fine-line that exists for the self-employed/sole trader/artists/code-dabbling precariat.
> E.G. Pd's history is littered with those who've become overwhelmed with both the demands of real life and the burgeoning Jones (addiction) of maintaining code (it was just a fun weekend hobby at first but then got out of hand, STARTED TAKING OVER MY LIFE!!).
> I do think bounties are useful but I'm trying to talk myself out of it...
> Appreciate the responses,
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