[PD] sending messages instead of signals to dac~

[Christof Ressi]

The "problem" is that Pd doesn't recompute the DSP graph when you *add* 
an object. Instead it recomputes the graph when you make a new signal 
connection (or when you delete an object, save a patch, etc.) So when 
you add the [dac~] object, the graph is not updated and it doesn't 
compute audio (yet). Only when you force a DSP graph update - in your 
case by deleting an object - it starts computing audio.

BTW, the problem you see with [dac~] is basically the same as with 
[bang~]. The latter doesn't output bangs immediately after creation but 
rather on the next DSP graph update. This has caused quite some 
confusion in the past.

Christof

On 06.12.2021 19:18, Peter P. wrote:
> Dear IOhannes,
>
> crazy, thank you for the pristine explanation, is makes sense now!
> What still puzzles me is that [dac~] does not output a signal when it
> receives the "1" message.
>
> Thanks again,
> P
>
> * IOhannes m zmölnig <zmoelnig at iem.at> [2021-12-06 19:04]:
>> On 12/6/21 17:57, Peter P. wrote:
>>> Is this know, explainable and does it "mean" something? ;)
>> it's known (that is: the group of problems to which this one belongs)
>>
>> here's a layman explanation (that i haven't actually checked with the source
>> code):
>>
>> whenever you patch with signal objects (that is: create a new object~,
>> delete a object~, connet object~s), the DSP graph gets re-compiled (if dsp
>> is on).
>> this is not true for non-signal objects: adding/connecting non-signal
>> objects is not going to change the DSP graph, so it is not re-compiled
>> (however, it does need to be recompiled if you remove a non-signal
>> object...why? just think [table]).
>>
>> now with your single [dac~] object, there is not much of a DSP-graph to
>> compute, so Pd obviously does nothing. esp. the float-to-signal conversion
>> seems to be not activated yet.
>> adding a single msgbox and connecting it to [dac~] doesn't change anything
>> in this regard, so Pd doesn't "notice" that it now has to actually do the
>> float-to-signal forwarding.
>>
>> you can force a re-compilation of the DSP graph (which will make Pd pick up
>> the float-to-signal conversion) by saving your patch (notice that get the
>> click).
>> you can also force it by removing any object (or msgbox!) - which you
>> already know.
>>
>> you could also connect a [sig~ 0] to the *second* inlet of the [dac~] tat
>> the beginning: this will not do much except creating a (small) DSP-graph of
>> which [dac~] is part of.
>> if you then create you msgbox and send [1( to the *first* (otherwise
>> unconnected) inlet of [dac~] you also get a click.
>>
>>
>> gfmds
>> IOhannes
>
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