[PD] Pd-list Digest, Vol 203, Issue 12

[Samuel Burt]

Having used Pd for two decades, this still catches me occasionally. I was
only able to debug the problem because I knew this could be an issue. Guess
the UI doesn't allow for some kind of subtle indication that you've fanned
connections from an outlet. Would be nice though if a little "x2", "x3",
and "x4" would pop up next to your mouse cursor when you are making a
connection and mouse over the next inlet. Not sure if this would even be
trackable using send and receive, because this is another place where one
outlet can go to multiple inlets in a manner that feels indeterminate.

Sam





On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 7:37 AM <pd-list-request at lists.iem.at> wrote:

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> From: Dan Wilcox <danomatika at gmail.com>
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> I agree, this is an established aspect of patching in Pd and changing it
> is not likely possible at this point. A positive reinforcement for using
> trigger is that it's simply more readable. I also admit to using fanning
> when I know order isn't as important for that case,
>
> I feel like often these problems also come from people trying Pd out after
> being more familiar with Max. Perhaps it would be good if Pd included a
> mini "Pd for Max users" guide which starts with execution order
> differences, ie. on canvas placement versus creation order. Forgive me if
> this info is in our documentation, I admit to not having gone through it
> since circa 2006 when I first started with Pd.
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> > On Feb 10, 2022, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request at lists.iem.at wrote:
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> > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 10:30:36 +0100
> > From: Roman Haefeli <reduzent at gmail.com <mailto:reduzent at gmail.com>>
> > To: pd-list at lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list at lists.iem.at>
> > Subject: Re: [PD] [midifile]
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> > On Thu, 2022-02-10 at 10:09 +0100, Max wrote:
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> >> Should Pd warn the user when one outlet is connected to multiple
> >> objects?
> >
> > I'd rather want Pd not to do that.
> >
> > 1) There are too many cases where fanning outlet connections are OK.
> >
> > 2) I believe it's more valuable if people do not fanning connections
> > because they understand their implications rather than because a
> > message tells them to avoid them.
> >
> > 3) I'm personally not so fond of the idea of giving people patching
> > advice.
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> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 13:36:28 +0100
> From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at>
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> On 2/10/22 12:53, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> > I feel like often these problems also come from people trying Pd out
> after being more familiar with Max. Perhaps it would be good if Pd included
> a mini "Pd for Max users" guide which starts with execution order
> differences,
>
> hmm.
> i'd prefer a "tip-of-the-day".
> order of execution is important enough that everybody should be aware of
> it, whether they come from max, vvvv, csound or out of the blue.
>
> i figure your argument is, that most of these have to learn Pd from
> scratch anyhow and will eventually come to the "use [trigger]" section
> in the documentation, whereas the max users would just dive into it (as
> Pd has been sold to them as something you can use your Max-skills with
> without having to pay the license).
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> my argument is that people who find tips-of-the-day useful are not power
> users yet and as such an occasional reminder won't hurt.
>
> gfdmas
> IOhannes
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