[Pdweb] portal - design

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Wow, http://csszengarden.com is impressive.  It would be great if we 
could do this with pd.org and then have any member able to submit a 
CSS, which would be selectable as a preference.  Then we could also 
have 'guess appearances' on the front page of the various designs.

.hc

On Sunday, Sep 28, 2003, at 15:57 America/New_York, Frank Barknecht 
wrote:

> Hallo,
> Michael Zeltner hat gesagt: // Michael Zeltner wrote:
>
>> Frank Barknecht wrote:
>>> Hallo,
>> heyho ;)
>>
>>> Actually I think, that no one is currently working on the graphical
>>> side. I would like to change the logo someday, because the color(s)
>>> just doesn't match the rest of the page.
>>
>> okay, so i'll set up an instance with a new design (is there a pd.org
>> ci?
>
> What's a "ci"? What happens to pd.org content and design-wise is
> bysically decided here on this list, but as IEM hosts the site, all
> technical things have to go through them, i.e. Winfried Ritsch. I
> don't know IEM's plan's regarding a migration to plone 2.0, but at
> least for pd.org it might not be a big problem: We don't have much
> content yet and the skin is almost the default.
>
>> or can i do "what i want"? logo too?) as prosposal.
>
> It would be nice to see a proposal in advance, so nobody feels bad
> with it, but until now nobody has done much graphics anyway.
>
>> i can show you a kind of a graphical portfolio if you want me to.
>>
>> don't expect me to finish the portal within the next two weeks, i'm
>> currently very busy :)
>>
>>> (I think it was planned to make a whole skin, but it didn't work out
>>> yet obviously).
>>
>> making skins for plone 1.0 is very risky. the 1.0 skin architecture 
>> was
>> pure hell, so migrating from a heavily changed 1.0 skin will be nearly
>> impossible... 2.0 is much more modular. but as i said, most of the 
>> time,
>> changes to the templates aren't necessary because nearly everything is
>> changeable with css.
>>
>>> Is your skin visible somewhere?
>>
>> you can test the skin with the plone 2.0b1 tarball or just see it on
>> test.plone.org. it looks like plone looked in 1.0 (because a part of
>> plone is it's ui) but the code is different: accessible (wcag-aaa -
>> section 508) and flexible (tableless - more ids/classes - more 
>> semantic
>> code block positions, id allocation, classification).
>
> This sounds very good. I tried to get the grips on skinning pd.org and
> seeing dtml once again made me stop rather immediatly, although I'm a
> bit comfortable with the CMF (if you search the CMF mailing list
> archives from waaaay back - ~5 years ago -, you might still find my
> name there ;)
>
> Fortunatly web standards have come a long way since then, too, so it's
> good to hear that Plone goes CSS skinning, like on csszengarden.com
> which you have linked, too.
>
> ciao
> -- 
>  Frank Barknecht                               _ ______footils.org__
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