[PD-dev] Re: [PD-announce] Pd-0.38.4-extended-RC7

[Yves Degoyon]

man,

i'm not speaking of you and others constructive users,
i'm speaking of other developers here
that want to _normalize_ the pd developement..
and the time wasted with this ( my precious time ).

i never made a pledge to american law and the FSF...
and i don't really mind what they think.

i think free software should be more than a commodity
where you are not obliged to pay any licence,
but that it should also be seen as a brick
to build another world,
along with free networks, free medias
and be prohibited to be used in some contexts.
( when i see that people are proud in some linux magazine
that free software has ben used to operate a tank,
i just think we don't share lots of values
and i want to run from 'mainstream' free software,
what it becomes now, another system ... )

saludos,
sevy

Ed Kelly wrote:

>Hans,
>
>Before I comment on the comment, I copied the
>pdp.pd_darwin library from my /usr/local/lib/pd/extra
>into the
>Pd-0.38.4-extended-RC7.app/Contents/Resources/extra,
>pdp and pidip loaded OK and I got a video up in X. I
>am using the version from Yves, pdp_pidip_osx/ from
>http://tdegoyon.free.fr/pdp_pidip_osx.tar.gz but you
>have to get inside the archive to find the bits you
>need. Since this is an extended release it may be
>useful to include all the libs from this archive
>(Imagemagick etc) although there may still be the fuss
>about Pidip's license (it contains mp3lame amongst
>other dylibs). It still needs X11 so maybe it would be
>wise to put a link to
>http://ydegoyon.free.fr/INSTALL_NOTES.txt , or just
>add to the Readme.html file about getting X11. Apple's
>XDarwin works as well as the X11 distribution.
>
>--- Yves Degoyon <ydegoyon at free.fr> wrote:
>  
>
>>i will not comment further on your stupidity,
>>with all your friends here, you're just killing
>>any idea of pd's community
>>( if it ever existed )
>>
>>but, as people waste their time to look for defaults
>>in other's work,
>>i would rather tell them to get a life..
>>    
>>
>
>Really?
>
>I work a lot with students who come to me looking for
>an alternative to Max/MSP/Jitter, since they cannot
>afford to buy such software. In Britain, every music
>department uses Macintosh computers, almost without
>exception, and I'd like to point them in a direction
>that allows me to show them PD without necessarily
>having to learn how to compile and troubleshoot
>complex pieces of software (of which pidip is one,
>since it depends on so many other pieces of software
>to work). Hans' installer is the ideal candidate for
>this, since it gives you many objects with the minimum
>of installation of initialisation files. Your own
>pdp_pidip_osx is good too in that respect. I apologise
>to Hans for being presumptious with my bug reports, or
>not having the time to research them thoroughly (I
>have Mac's only at work, where I am supposed to be
>working!). As far as I know, this is the only attempt
>by anyone to make PD externals accessible, so let's
>get behind it. 
>
>Pidip is hard to get to work. That's a fact we can
>address if the motivation is there, but I have a life
>thank you, and don't particularly want others to have
>to waste theirs trying to find the right CVS snapshot
>of ffmpeg amongst other things, as I did, or to
>resolve the problems compiling mpeg4ip, of which the
>version Yves says to get isn't even available anymore.
>That's not finding fault with your software Yves - I
>like it and use it. Just acknowledging some facts.
>What kind of community do you want, Yves? A democracy
>or an elite?
>
>On Wednesday I will be giving a lecture and
>demonstration where I work on PD, to encourage
>students to consider it as an alternative to Max/MSP.
>I'd like to promote the community, as I often have, as
>an advantage rather than a hindrance. I know Yves,
>that you may have absolutely no reason to care whether
>anyone uses your software or not, and that's fine. But
>let's not make this personal.
>
>Best,
>Ed
>
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