[PD-dev] "declare" strangeness in abstractions (0.41 test10)

[Roman Haefeli]

hi miller

will [declare -stdpath] work inside abstractions?

thanks
roman

On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 10:32 -0800, Miller Puckette wrote:
> Hi Frank,
> 
> Well, I can't remember now if I was looking at that bug report or if I was
> having my own problems with declare (I've had many).  I had bad confusion
> making abstractions use "soundfiler", for instance, and having relative
> paths get expanded relative to the abstraction instead of the calling patch.
> However, when an abstraction opens a sub-abstraction as in "x/y", I think
> it's best to have x/y be relative to the abstraction's location and not the
> calling patch's.  These two needs seem in direct conflict.  I hope to figure 
> out a better way to handle this but have given up trying to resolve it 
> for 0.41.  
> 
> I hope nobody is yet throwing "declare" objects in abstractions, as that
> currently does something so wrong (altering the global path for the calling
> patch!?) that I thought it better to get rid of the whole thing for now.
> 
> cheers
> Miller
> 
> On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 06:28:20PM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I checked out the behaviour of [declare] in the latest test version,
> > which supposedly should have some fixes according to the release
> > notes: 
> > 
> >   Fixed "declare" which wasn't working properly yet in 0.40-0, and made
> >   more objects (notably "soundfiler") respect "declared" paths. Path
> >   entries are relative to the parent patch. Declares inside abstractions
> >   are ignored.
> > 
> > Now I'm not sure, if simply ignoring declares in abstractions is the
> > right thing (tm) to do. Using the declare-bug.tgz examples from Bug
> > #1714473 I now cannot make abstractions evaluate declares anymore.
> > This seems to be intended, but why?
> > 
> > The example uses an abstraction, "myabs/test-patch-with-deep-declare"
> > that includes an instance of [abuse-me], which by [declare -path
> > ./sub] inside "myabs/test-patch-with-deep-declare.pd" should be taken
> > from "myabs/sub/abuse-me.pd". But, alas, this isn't found and thus
> > "myabs/test-patch-with-deep-declare" is broken. Opening
> > "myabs/test-patch-with-deep-declare.pd" directly will make it find the
> > correct abuse-me.pd in myabs/sub/abuse-me.pd
> > 
> > I believe, the correct behaviour would be to not ignore the declares
> > in abstractions, but make them act relative to the abstraction's path.
> > 
> > Otherwise abstractions would behave differently when opened directly
> > compared to when used as abstractions, which I think is very
> > confusing.
> > 
> > Ciao
> > -- 
> >  Frank Barknecht                                     _ ______footils.org__
> > 
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