[PD-dev] Pd-extended-0.43 appearance

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Oct 21, 2011, at 6:29 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:

> On Fri, 2011-10-21 at 17:15 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> On Oct 21, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 2011-10-21 at 12:33 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>>> On Oct 21, 2011, at 5:49 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Hans
>>>>>
>>>>> I noticed a significant difference between Pd-extended-0.43 and
>>>>> Pd-vanilla-0.43 appearance. Symbol- and Numberboxes are 2 px
>>>>> higher in
>>>>> Extended than in Vanilla. This is especially problematic in cases
>>>>> where
>>>>> a GOP-patch in Vanilla was created so that the number/symbol box
>>>>> perfectly fits in. The same GOP-abstraction in Pd-extended does  
>>>>> not
>>>>> show
>>>>> the number/symbol box at all, because it is overlapping the GOP  
>>>>> area
>>>>> of
>>>>> the abstraction.
>>>>
>>>> I measured a default number box on Pd-extended 0.42.5 and 0.43.   
>>>> They
>>>> both were 21x39 pixels at 12 point font size.  I don't know the
>>>> details of the current state of this stuff in vanilla, but in Pd-
>>>> extended, these sizes have been consistent across platform and
>>>> version
>>>> since 0.41 at least.
>>>
>>> I totally believe you that Pd-extended was consistent to itself  
>>> since
>>> 0.41. Still, the difference renders certain patches/abstractions
>>> somehow
>>> unportable between the two (extended and vanilla). What do you think
>>> would be the best way to deal with that?
>>
>> IMHO, it would be two things:
>>
>> - make Pd vanilla do what Pd-extended does in terms of box sizing
>
> 1) Why does Pd-vanilla have to adapt itself to Pd-extended (and not  
> vice
> versa)?
>
> 2) What is it that Pd-extended does in terms of box sizing?
>
> 3) Is there any way I can help with that?

>> - or, even better, make pd send pd messages to pd-gui instead of Tcl,
>> and move GUI size, mouse, click, etc handling to pd-gui.  Then we get
>> zoomable GUIs and all sorts of other good things.  Big project tho
>
> Sorry, I think I am not able to help with that.
>
> Roman


Pd vanilla still has different box sizes on different platforms, if I  
remember correctly, therefore the sizes will have to change somewhere.

I tried to get these changes into vanilla, but I guess Miller didn't  
want them. I've already spent a lot of time on it, so I've moved on  
since it works in Pd-extended.  There should be a whole history of the  
discussion on pd-dev, i.e. the details of the issues.  I don't  
remember them, I'm sure it was some annoying technical details.

Also, you can see the changes that pd-extended makes to puredata but  
looking at the pd-extended.git in the 'patch_series' branch.

.hc


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