[PD-dev] Pd-extended-0.43 appearance

[Roman Haefeli]

On Fri, 2011-10-21 at 18:36 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> On Oct 21, 2011, at 6:29 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 2011-10-21 at 17:15 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> >> On Oct 21, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Fri, 2011-10-21 at 12:33 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> >>>> On Oct 21, 2011, at 5:49 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Hans
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I noticed a significant difference between Pd-extended-0.43 and
> >>>>> Pd-vanilla-0.43 appearance. Symbol- and Numberboxes are 2 px
> >>>>> higher in
> >>>>> Extended than in Vanilla. This is especially problematic in cases
> >>>>> where
> >>>>> a GOP-patch in Vanilla was created so that the number/symbol box
> >>>>> perfectly fits in. The same GOP-abstraction in Pd-extended does  
> >>>>> not
> >>>>> show
> >>>>> the number/symbol box at all, because it is overlapping the GOP  
> >>>>> area
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> the abstraction.
> >>>>
> >>>> I measured a default number box on Pd-extended 0.42.5 and 0.43.   
> >>>> They
> >>>> both were 21x39 pixels at 12 point font size.  I don't know the
> >>>> details of the current state of this stuff in vanilla, but in Pd-
> >>>> extended, these sizes have been consistent across platform and
> >>>> version
> >>>> since 0.41 at least.
> >>>
> >>> I totally believe you that Pd-extended was consistent to itself  
> >>> since
> >>> 0.41. Still, the difference renders certain patches/abstractions
> >>> somehow
> >>> unportable between the two (extended and vanilla). What do you think
> >>> would be the best way to deal with that?
> >>
> >> IMHO, it would be two things:
> >>
> >> - make Pd vanilla do what Pd-extended does in terms of box sizing
> >
> > 1) Why does Pd-vanilla have to adapt itself to Pd-extended (and not  
> > vice
> > versa)?
> >
> > 2) What is it that Pd-extended does in terms of box sizing?
> >
> > 3) Is there any way I can help with that?
> 
> >> - or, even better, make pd send pd messages to pd-gui instead of Tcl,
> >> and move GUI size, mouse, click, etc handling to pd-gui.  Then we get
> >> zoomable GUIs and all sorts of other good things.  Big project tho
> >
> > Sorry, I think I am not able to help with that.
> >
> > Roman
> 
> 
> Pd vanilla still has different box sizes on different platforms, if I  
> remember correctly, therefore the sizes will have to change somewhere.

I'll check that again. It seemed to me that the Pd-vanilla looked very
much the same on OS X and Linux, at least since 0.43. I haven't checked
Windows yet. Also I had the impression that Pd-vanilla doesn't have a
different appearance across different Linuxes anymore. I remember it
being dependent on some DPI setting, but I haven't encountered that
issue anymore.

> I tried to get these changes into vanilla, but I guess Miller didn't  
> want them. I've already spent a lot of time on it, so I've moved on  
> since it works in Pd-extended.  There should be a whole history of the  
> discussion on pd-dev, i.e. the details of the issues.  I don't  
> remember them, I'm sure it was some annoying technical details.
> 
> Also, you can see the changes that pd-extended makes to puredata but  
> looking at the pd-extended.git in the 'patch_series' branch.

Thanks for the explanations.

Roman