[PD] nosferatu namespaces (was: zexy and Pd-0.38.4-extended-RC3.ap p)
hans at eds.org
Wed Nov 23 18:31:03 CET 2005
On Nov 23, 2005, at 11:02 AM, Burt wrote:
> My question was prompted by the fact that Hans' OSX installer no
> longer had zexy.pd_darwin compiled as a library. He is now packaging
> individual externals from zexy separately. I have now placed
> zexy.pd_darwin in my extras folder and am comfortable, although as an
> advocate for other users I am wondering why the change has been made.
The zexy lib stopped compiling for me, so since the objects are already
included, I didn't spend any time trying to fix the lib compiling. If
someone fixes it, I have no problem including the zexy lib.
> Also, thanks for everyone who reminded me that I could load the
> libraries in each patch rather than through Startup. I think I will
> adopt this practice from now on for ease of use for the people I
> design software.
> I am not terribly concerned about my own RAM usage, although the slow
> Pd startup time with zexy did irritate me slightly. I do design audio
> software for other people to use, however, and like to maximize the
> use of their systems. I know zexy isn't a big memory hog; I was just
> trying to understand a little better about how things worked.
There is a problem with MIDI on OSX that causes slow startups. If you
are taking a delay like 5 seconds longer, that's more likely the MIDI
bug than the libs loading.
> Mr. Steiner, awesome job with the Help menu! That's exactly what I
> have been waiting for. When I get some time on Turkey Day when
> everyone is napping, maybe I will take a look at your scripts to see
> how you got the nested menus to work right.
Thanks! Recursion is the key! I love recursion! ;) Actually, the
Help menu is a temporary measure, the grand plan is to have a help
browser that uses meta data to catalog and organize the info. But for
now the help menu will have to do. Now I need to get it working on
Linux and Windows...
> On Nov 23, 2005, at 10:31 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
> Burt wrote:
> So, what solutions do I have for my problem? If I cannot put more
> than ten zexy externals to load at startup, do I need to just put
> zexy.pd_darwin back into my extras folder and load it? While creating
> objects neamed [Gem] or [pmpd] might work, [zexy] won't do anything
> until I have zexy.pd_darwin in my extras folder. This leads me to my
> last question: libraries and externals (like [z~]) can be loaded
> through the Startup script, while only libraries can be loaded with a
> [library] object being placed in a patch, right?
> no it is far simpler.
> if a library is compiled as single externals (like zexy in the
> pd-extended) you have a dll (in your case .pd_darwin) for each object.
> the first time you create a [z~] object, the z~.pd_linux will get
> loaded and that's it.
> you don't have to bother about loading zexy (as a whole lib, which
> doesn't exist in the extended-build) at all, as long as the .pd_darwin
> files you need are in a searched place (e.g. extra/).
> that's the idea of splitting a library up into single externals.
> I appreciate having all the zexy objects separated to keep the RAM
> usage down, but it seems to complicate things a bit. Unless anyone
> has a better solution, I'm just going to stick zexy.pd_darwin back in
> my extras folder and load that.
> you must be _very_ low of RAM is this is a concern to you.
> the zexy.pd_linux is about 148k big, the zexy.pd_darwin might be
> bigger, but i doubt if it is larger than 300k.
> in theory it should be totally transparent, so i don't understand your
> problem at all. (i understand that you might be bothered by the error
> pd throws, when it fails to load zexy.pd_darwin; but have you tried to
> create [z~]?).
> the only problem that might arise is, if you have a nameclash (namely
> cyclone might be a problem); you only have to make sure the
> nameclashing objects you want from zexy are loaded before any other
> library; this you can do via the startup-flags (if you want to load
> the offending lib via startup flags)
> additionally you could try to specify more than 10 libraries at
> startup by using this notation: "cyclone:Gem:toxy" in 1 single slot.
> (i haven't tested whether this works, but i don't see a reason why it
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