[PD] Res: PD-list Digest, Vol 29, Issue 86
giuliano obici
giulianobici at yahoo.com.br
Fri Aug 31 08:09:06 CEST 2007
hey guys
I am Giuliano from Brazil
i read some emails about future convention
i think that's really nice when it'll come to Brazil
here we have a good ambient and reason to
proliferation the free software movement
and many peoples, institutions and artists to work together
cheers
Giuliano
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: vbap and matrix external (Kevin McCoy)
2. A basic question re: messages and sequencing (Mat Wall-Smith)
3. Re: 39.3-extended-rc5 - FFT causes audio failure on 1.67 G4
(Achim Bornhoeft)
4. Re: A basic question re: messages and sequencing
(Stephen Sinclair)
5. OSC bundles with time tag (Torsten Anders)
6. Re: inconsistencies in msgfile (Mathieu Bouchard)
7. Re: OSC bundles with time tag (Stephen Sinclair)
8. Re: some images... (glerm soares)
9. Re: some images... (Mathieu Bouchard)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:03:34 -0400
From: "Kevin McCoy" <km.takewithyou at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PD] vbap and matrix external
To: "zmoelnig at iem.at" <zmoelnig at iem.at>, PD-list at iem.at
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> i do not conisider it deprecated.
Ah, sorry about that - I guess I made a mistake there.
merci,
Kevin
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 01:04:19 +1000
From: Mat Wall-Smith <mat at slashstarhash.com>
Subject: [PD] A basic question re: messages and sequencing
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Hi..
I've been working in PD on a project and I have two message boxes
with a list of numbers. I want to divulge the common numbers into a
message or sequence. How best to do that? My second question is how
best to write a sequence with those numbers to a file with time
information coming from another list (message) again?
thats probably clear as mud - if anyone has time to help I'd
appreciate it.
Mat
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:06:34 +0200
From: Achim Bornhoeft <achim.bornhoeft at web.de>
Subject: Re: [PD] 39.3-extended-rc5 - FFT causes audio failure on 1.67
G4
To: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at eds.org>
Cc: pd-list at iem.at
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I have the same problem on a G4, 1.25 Powerbook.
Achim
Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb:
>
> Hmm, that's a strange bug. I can't reproduce this on a Mac/Intel, but I
> could on another 1.67GHz Mac runing 10.4.10 My guess is that it's
> another manifestation of that same 1.67 Mac audio bug. It worked fine
> for me using the latest Pd-0.40.3-extended nightly build:
>
> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-08-01/Pd-0.40.3-extended-20070801-macosx104-powerpc.dmg
>
> .hc
>
> On Aug 1, 2007, at 2:24 PM, Ed Richardson wrote:
>
>> Browser/Audio Examples/I04.noisegate.pd causes a complete failure of
>> audio in Pd-0.39.3-extended-rc5-macosx104-powerpc.dmg.
>>
>> system:
>> mac os 10.4.10
>> 1.67 GHz PowerPC G4
>>
>> Upon adjusting either the sampler or noise amplitude parameters, there
>> is a fairly loud single pop, upon which all audio ceases on the
>> computer altogether. Audio will only resume once I quit Pd.
>>
>> Neither of the following strategies in any combination improve this
>> situation:
>> 48K instead of 44.1K
>> use of JACK rather than portaudio
>>
>> I believe several other fft-based patches are affected by this.
>>
>> This is not a problem in any of the following:
>> 38.4-extended
>> 39.2-non-extended
>> 40.2-non-extended
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Also, I'm curious what anyone knows about the frequent Pd-related
>> audio card issues with the 1.67 GHz PowerPC G4 Powerbook.
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:28:56 -0400
From: "Stephen Sinclair" <radarsat1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PD] A basic question re: messages and sequencing
To: pd-list at iem.at
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Hi,
Not sure about the removal of duplicates, but for your second question
take a look at the list-enumerate abstraction.
(Located in abstractions/footils/list-abs)
Steve
On 8/30/07, Mat Wall-Smith <mat at slashstarhash.com> wrote:
> Hi..
>
>
> I've been working in PD on a project and I have two message boxes with a
> list of numbers. I want to divulge the common numbers into a message or
> sequence. How best to do that? My second question is how best to write a
> sequence with those numbers to a file with time information coming from
> another list (message) again?
>
> thats probably clear as mud - if anyone has time to help I'd appreciate it.
>
> Mat
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:07:14 +0100
From: Torsten Anders <torsten.anders at plymouth.ac.uk>
Subject: [PD] OSC bundles with time tag
To: pd-list at iem.at
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Dear all,
I am sending OSC messages from the UNIX app sendOSC to Pd using the
Pd object [dumpOSC] -- it worked out of the box, very nice!
However, it seems that [dumpOSC] always reacts immediately --
regardless of any time stamp (16 figure hex number according to OSC
specs). Is it at all possible that Pd delays the processing of
received OSC messages because of some time tag which lies in the
future? I planned to let Pd do the actual scheduling, because I
figured its timing will be rather reliable...
Thank you!
Best
Torsten
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University of Plymouth
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:29:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mathieu Bouchard <matju at artengine.ca>
Subject: Re: [PD] inconsistencies in msgfile
To: zmoelnig at iem.at
Cc: pd-list at iem.at
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007, zmoelnig at iem.at wrote:
> i have not checked that now, but i am pretty sure, that it does support
> files with spaces. however, there is a limitation (that can be worked
> around) on pd's ability to create a symbol containing spaces.
It can also be fixed. If you edit the source code of pd, you only have to
change two lines to fix the saving of spaces in symbols, but somehow so
far it has been easier for everybody to write several hundred mails about
the topic instead, and figuring out workarounds, teaching workshop
students about not using spaces, and pondering whether it's a bug at all
and how to think of it as a feature.
Pd might be Open-Source and all it implies, but for that particular case
(and some other particular cases) it just feels like it's a regular
freeware in which the author has lost the source code in a hard disk crash
several years ago...
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:53:34 -0400
From: "Stephen Sinclair" <radarsat1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PD] OSC bundles with time tag
To: pd-list at iem.at
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So, to answer this post as well as H.C.'s previous query on the topic,
I had a look at the dumpOSC code and indeed it doesn't handle the
timetags.
The only related code is the following:
/* Print the time tag */
#ifdef DEBUG
printf("[ %lx%08lx\n", ntohl(*((unsigned long *)(buf+8))
), ntohl(*((unsigned long *)(buf+12))));
#endif
In which the timetag is so nicely ignored completely.
Torsten, I suggest you have a look at the OSC objects in the "mrpeach"
folder, as I think they have better support for timetags among other
things.
I may play around with creating abstractions using mrpeach objects to
replace dumpOSC and sendOSC, as it seems this is about due.
Steve
On 8/30/07, Torsten Anders <torsten.anders at plymouth.ac.uk> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I am sending OSC messages from the UNIX app sendOSC to Pd using the
> Pd object [dumpOSC] -- it worked out of the box, very nice!
>
> However, it seems that [dumpOSC] always reacts immediately --
> regardless of any time stamp (16 figure hex number according to OSC
> specs). Is it at all possible that Pd delays the processing of
> received OSC messages because of some time tag which lies in the
> future? I planned to let Pd do the actual scheduling, because I
> figured its timing will be rather reliable...
>
> Thank you!
>
> Best
> Torsten
>
> --
> Torsten Anders
> Interdisciplinary Centre for Computer Music Research
> University of Plymouth
> strasheela.sourceforge.net
> www.torsten-anders.de
>
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:08:13 -0300
From: "glerm soares" <organismo at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PD] some images...
To: " .?:*??*:?.darsha.?:*??*:?. " <darsha.h at gmail.com>
Cc: pd-list at iem.at, marius schebella <marius.schebella at gmail.com>
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2007/8/29, .?:*??*:?.darsha.?:*??*:?. <darsha.h at gmail.com>:
>
> Yo Marius :)
>
> Alex Porres would be the one to talk to concerning a convention in
> South America...I think there has been some very unofficial discussion
> about having it there in 2009....Right Alex?
Hello,
+1 in Brazil.
glerm
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:07:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mathieu Bouchard <matju at artengine.ca>
Subject: Re: [PD] some images...
To: Chris McCormick <chris at mccormick.cx>
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Chris McCormick wrote:
> Well I guess there will be another Pd conference of some kind in the
> future, right?
You can guess all that you want. It's the same as it was two weeks ago
when I was saying the same thing: we don't really know. We're still just
making speculations on where it could be in the next few years. London.
Barcelona. Roma. S?o Paulo. Istanbul. New York. Sounds incredible, and
yes, it's not very credible at the moment, it's still almost just
name-throwing. I tried talking to a few people about this, but that's like
0.1% of the job.
There ought to be dossiers about each of the cities so that they can be
compared and chosen. Each report should include something about who uses
pd in that city, which activities are pd-oriented, how the community is
organised, which universities and artist-run centres want to give support
to a pd convention, whether the national art council(s) or city art
council(s) are interested to back it, other possible local funding,
possibility of external funding (e.g. any funding programmes that can be
applied to a collaboration between Montr?al and/or Graz and the hosts of
the 3rd convention). From that point, plans for 3rd, 4th, 5th conventions
can be laid out according to forecasts of readiness of each city's
community.
Montr?al took several years to get ready, in terms of key people deciding
to get involved and reserve the time to work on it... I remember trying to
throw the idea around in 2004. It wasn't quite credible back then... nor
during 2005... I mean in terms of having it happen during the following
year: once the team is there and ready, it can take about a year of actual
work.
About 2008, the thing is that since it takes over a whole year to organise
something like the Montr?al convention, and no-one wanted to discuss a 3rd
convention before the 2nd was over, so it'll take at least a few months
before the selection of the next city actually happens, and from that
point it'll take roughly a year, plus or minus a few months. At the end of
that process it'll already be 2009.
If you have magic shortcuts that you can take out of your hat, you are
more than welcome (and more than encouraged) to share them.
Pd Convention is not a franchise, so anyone could actually do something
completely on their own and call it Pd Convention 2008, but it'd be a
shame if it's not roughly the same size as any of the last two
conventions, especially as I know several people who would like to give a
hand in making it big enough, no matter where it actually happens.
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