[PD] UI developer volunteering to help

Hans-Christoph Steiner hans at eds.org
Mon May 19 19:09:55 CEST 2008

Looks good to me.  This is already a massive improvement over what is  
there.  I don't know if you are sick of working on it, but I thought  
I'd throw a couple of minor ideas:

- it would be useful if the "startup flags" entry widget would  
stretch with the resizing window.  Then you could see more of those  

- perhaps the windows should open above the Pd window instead of the  
center of the screen?  I think you can get that info using [winfo  
rootx .] and [winfo rooty .]


On May 18, 2008, at 7:26 PM, David Golightly wrote:

> As requested, I've put back the "Edit" and "Delete" buttons and  
> added BackSpace as a Delete event for Mac OS X.  I couldn't get Cmd- 
> BackSpace to fire effectively, but perhaps someone knows something  
> I don't about getting that to work.
> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 7:15 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner  
> <hans at eds.org> wrote:
> Very nice!  The mouse/keyboard interactive is well done, I only  
> worry that the buttons are now too sparse.  I think delete and edit  
> buttons would still be useful, maybe people don't use keyboard  
> shortcuts at all.
> Also, on Mac OS X, Delete is not commonly used, so it would be good  
> to also have BackSpace work for deleting.  Or maybe Cmd-BackSpace  
> since that is what is used for deleting in the Finder.
> .hc
> On May 18, 2008, at 9:46 AM, David Golightly wrote:
>> A note on the latest changes: I removed all the list manipulation  
>> buttons and added the following bindings:
>> - The list items can be re-ordered by drag-and-drop.
>> - Clicking on a list item allows you to edit it.
>> - Clicking anywhere else in the listbox allows you to add a new  
>> list item.
>> - You can also traverse the list using up and down arrow keys,  
>> then press "Enter" to change the selected item.
>> - Press "Delete" to delete the currently selected list item.
>> I kept around the "New..." button, since it may not be immediately  
>> obvious to newbies how to add new things to the list.
>> I also removed the "Save all settings" button and folded its  
>> action in to the "Apply" command (and, by extension, the OK  
>> command).  I played around with trying to get an in-place editable  
>> listbox control for the Startup dialog, but to no avail - it's  
>> apparently no trivial task in Tcl/Tk.  Perhaps for a future  
>> revision.  However, the popup dialog functions effective the same,  
>> as "Enter" will submit your edit and "Esc" will cancel; once you  
>> get used to it it shouldn't be much different.
>> I'm also now centering the dialog windows on the screen.  I'd like  
>> to do this also (especially) for the "Properties" dialogs that are  
>> used to edit GUI controls.  Tk like to try and "cascade" new  
>> dialogs as they appear; this is too clever by half, and really  
>> annoying once if you do a lot of editing.  But I've only tested  
>> this centering behavior on my own Macbook 15" screen, so it would  
>> be great if others could verify it's still usable on other screen  
>> sizes.
>> One other thing: these dialogs can now be resized, but they appear  
>> at their minimum size, so you can't shrink them any further (you  
>> can only expand them).
>> Please let me know what you think and as always let me know if you  
>> run into any trouble!
>> Thanks,
>> David
>> On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 6:06 PM, David Golightly  
>> <davigoli at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ok, with the path/startup dialogs, this is about the feature set  
>> I'd like to end up with for now.  Please, everyone, review it for  
>> usability & obvious bugs, and if it looks good I'll submit it as a  
>> patch.
>> Thanks,
>> David
>> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Steffen Juul <stffn at dibidut.dk>  
>> wrote:
>> On 14/05/2008, at 0.16, marius schebella wrote:
>> David Golightly wrote:
>> Keep in mind I'm
>> still learning Tcl/Tk, so some of these ideas, while excellent, are a
>> little beyond my technical grasp at this point and may be  
>> improvements
>> that we make incrementally over time.  Also, I have a limited  
>> amount of
>> my time to budget for this kind of work
>> david,
>> if you spend 1 hour on coding and one hour on documenting of how  
>> to get
>> to that step, (instead of 2 hours coding), then the chance that more
>> people will be able to jump in is bigger. tcl/tk is new to most  
>> people.
>> being able to concentrate on design and ui aspects would make life
>> easier. the hard part is to get started.
>> Especially since the names in Tk are to my experience somewhat  
>> different to what one put in the search bar, ie. of my/your(?)/ 
>> normal vocabulary.
>> Example: tabs ~= notebook. See http://wiki.tcl.tk/2298
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