[PD] nusmuk-audio / mixer aesthetics..

Sun Apr 25 17:06:48 CEST 2010

On Apr 25, 2010, at 4:42 PM, colet.patrice at free.fr wrote:

> hello,
> 
> it looks good and nice idea about the toggle,

Here's the global mixer. I have an throw object that sets the throw targets ([rc-throw~] and [rc-throw2~]) so it's easy to send to the drusm channel , guitar channel, etc [rc-throw~ DRUMS]. I made the global mixer so as to have a reference point between song patches.

>  is there a relation with s-abstractions?

Well, I was influenced by the s-abstractons when I first started making gui abstractions. The rc-patches and s-abstractions are similar except for the fact that Chris wants to keep s-abstractions pd vanilla compatible and I don't want to jump through those hoops. However, I try to keep the number of externals I use down to a stable, core set (zexy, list-abs, etc) so it should not be hard to use in vanilla.

I mainly want easy to use, gui objects for song building etc that are state saving. I'm always checking out example patches sent to the list and adding things.

> ----- "Dan Wilcox" <danomatika at gmail.com> a écrit :
> 
>> I have similar mixer channels (mono and stereo) which I send to
>> different busses on a global mixer. Works alright. Due to the vu
>> taking cpu, there is a toggle box you need to click to enable the vu.
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 24, 2010, at 1:37 PM, servando barreiro wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> I haven´t invented anything but I want to share this:
>> 
>> http://servandobarreiro.es/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/mix_ser.png
>> (just th image)
>> 
>> It´s quite simple, but I find it useful for live performing
>> situations.. (and Iike that kind of aesthetic..) maybe somebody wants
>> to improve it..
>> 
>> I was thinking about adding a vu-meter per channel but at the moment,
>> I manage ok with just two into the master section (still in
>> progress..). In this case, the dac~ object it´s inside the mixer.
>> 
>> http://minitronics.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/trondheim-minimixerpd.zip
>> 
>> enjoy..
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> hello Roman
>> 
>> I've tried Mx everytime I used netpd, so could tell what doesn't meet
>> my criteria...
>> 
>> there are already plenty of stuff for fx, that's nice, I've even
>> stolen some stuff inside,
>> like the dynamic routing, some times ago.
>> 
>> In fact it's a pain in the **s do a good job in such a mixer because
>> of aesthetics,
>> anecdotic criterium in this conversation.
>> 
>> There is no vu-meter in tracks, so we don't know where the signals
>> come from, neither at each level it comes.
>> 
>> There is no peak value detection, we don't know what was the last
>> highest peak value,
>> to find out what sound would overhelm the mixing equilibrium.
>> 
>> Using different colors for the different bus is a very good idea, and
>> make gaining time
>> for finding the good slider,
>> but some colors gives Mx an ugly apparence that could be avoided with
>> choosing
>> harmonious tones, for example a yellow handle over a white background
>> slider, is just
>> a pain for the eyes. Also the green color is very agressive.
>> 
>> Mixing sounds is a kind of computation where the engineer need know
>> accurately
>> which level he has to give to some tracks for getting a correct
>> average power,
>> for example if we add 3 Decibels we double power...
>> The necessary stuff is just a number box that would tell how much Db
>> is modulated over a slider.
>> 
>> 
>> here is my favorite mixing tool:
>> 
>> http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan07/images/cubase5_l.jpg
>> 
>> _ we can choose DAC~ input and output bus
>> _ phase inversion
>> _ Gain level
>> _ Panning is over the number of output buses we choose
>> _ A 'Listen' button has been added with 'Solo', but I didn't use it
>> yet.
>> _ we can record/play automation from the board.
>> _ we can choose if the signal that goes to the bus is pre or post
>> fader.
>> _ same for vu-meter (all)
>> _ we can record stuff passing through the mixer, if it's audio it
>> records audio, if it's midi it records midi
>> _ we can access directly to the instrument from the mixer track.
>> _ there is an internal EQ, very usefull and very well implemented into
>> to mixer track.
>> _ we can group tracks into group tracks.
>> _ we can save settings of each parts of the mixer.
>> 
>> there are also all the settings that has effect on all the the tracks,
>> like hiding all different parts of the tracks
>> or setting peak detection time, copy-paste track params, an track edit
>> window (so we can see all settings) ...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> For going further in the discussion, I'd need to try Mx EQ's and
>> dynamic processing fx.
>> 
>> This mixer is a cool project, and I'd love to use it in mine, but I'd
>> need to make a stand alone patch.
>> is there such one?
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Mail Original -----
>> De: "Roman Haefeli" <reduzierer at yahoo.de>
>> À: "colet patrice" <colet.patrice at free.fr>
>> Cc: "João Pais" <jmmmpais at googlemail.com>, "pd-list" <pd-list at iem.at>
>> Envoyé: Jeudi 22 Avril 2010 19h27:10 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin /
>> Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne
>> Objet: Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?
>> 
>> Hi Patko
>> 
>> On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 18:27 +0200, colet.patrice at free.fr wrote:
>> I just wanted to check if someone has invented this wheel in pd...
>> apparently not...
>> 
>> <marketing lingo>
>> 
>> Have you checked mx from netpd?
>> http://www.netpd.org/Mx
>> 
>> I am not sure, if it meets your criteria, but some of it features are:
>> 
>> - slot for insert-fx per channel/master channel
>> - unlimited number of slots for aux-fx
>> - aux-fx can be chained
>> - you can write your own fx
>> 
>> By using some additional fx plugin suites, you can have:
>> 
>> - meta-fx, that pack 3 slots into one (this way you can have as many
>> inserts in a chain as you want)
>> - dynamic processing fx
>> - EQs
>> - time-based fx, such chorus, flanger, phaser
>> - some funky freaky stuff, such as spectral-delay, fft-based
>> pitchshifter and more.
>> 
>> </marketing lingo>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Roman
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --------
>> Dan Wilcox
>> danomatika.com
>> robotcowboy.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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