[PD] no pd?? WTF ????

[Jonathan Wilkes]

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> From: "Pagano, Patrick" <pat at digitalworlds.ufl.edu>
>To: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>; Richie Cyngler <glitchpop at gmail.com> 
>Cc: pd list <pd-list at iem.at>; Ben Baker-Smith <bbakersmith at gmail.com> 
>Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:33 PM
>Subject: RE: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????
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>I would not try to crack Max/Msp, nor do any of my students engage in such poor practices

Do you require them to use Max?


>I took a Kyma class in Grad school, it sounded awesome but was way out of my price range of course
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>From:pd-list-bounces at iem.at [mailto:pd-list-bounces at iem.at] On Behalf Of Jonathan Wilkes
>Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:24 PM
>To: Richie Cyngler
>Cc: pd list; Ben Baker-Smith
>Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????
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>No, there really are music students out there looking at what they need in order to be successful, and 
>when most of the voices around them are aggressively (and often ignorantly) suggesting only 
>proprietary tools that cost lots of money, these students save up their meager resources in order to 
>buy them.  I'm talking about students who are probably already in debt from loans, and it's quite common 
>that they max out on their technology budget and as a consequence are unable to attend a 
>festival.
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>What's even worse is that these constrained options lead to a lot of those students downloading 
>cracked copies of proprietary software (and the negative effects there usually manifest themselves 
>more quickly and concretely).
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>-Jonathan
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>>From:Richie Cyngler <glitchpop at gmail.com>
>>To: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com> 
>>Cc: Ben Baker-Smith <bbakersmith at gmail.com>; pd list <pd-list at iem.at> 
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:53 PM
>>Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????
>>Not a bad point... but, or more likely because they are supporting only those artists able to afford such things as expensive software, travel and food.
>>On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>I can't think of a better example of the vicious cycle of software lock-in than this. 
>>They don't have money to offer financial support, so they have to rely on the tools
>>that they know, which are proprietary and expensive, thus making it even less likely
>>that a composer would be able to afford to travel to the concert (because he/she
>>had to spend money on either Max/MSP or Kyma to composer the piece in the first
>>place).
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>>-Jonathan
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>>----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Ben Baker-Smith <bbakersmith at gmail.com>
>>> To: pd list <pd-list at iem.at>
>>> Cc:
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????
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>>> Hi list!
>>>
>>> I got a more clear response from the organizers on this issue than
>>> anything I've seen in this thread so far - here it is:
>>>
>>>>  Hi Ben,
>>>>
>>>>  thanks for your Interest in our Call.
>>>>
>>>>  We accepts only patches made with Kyma or Max/MSP due the fact we are not
>>> able to provide
>>>>  financial support for the two selected composers. So it is possible that
>>> they will not be able to be in Milan  for the concert.
>>>>  To avoid technical issues we choose the plattforms we already use in our
>>> work or we are very familiar with.
>>>>  This is the only reason.
>>>>  If the selected composer can assure us to be available for the concert the
>>> can be used any piece of software/hardware.
>>>>
>>>>  I hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>>  Many thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Federico Placidi
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>>-- 
>>Richie
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