[PD] Am I in time to propose the Xth Sense lib to be included in Pd-ext?

[Marco Donnarumma]

Thanks Hans.

I still think it is doable for the Xth Sense lib, this is the current state
of the lib according to the guidelines.

OK_ it is cross-platform, I did 7 workshops in 2011 with this tools on
different machines.

OK_ the lib is in Libdir format

OK_ it is already released as a standalone Libdir on github and
puredata.info

NOT OK_ Two objects do depend on something not included in Pd-extended
what could be the best way to solve this issue?

OK_ it is listed in the puredata.org libraries page
http://puredata.info/downloads/xth-sense-library

OK_ I'm happy to do Debian/testing with some guidance

Let me know what do you think, if the inclusion is possible,
and if I'm missing something.
Gonna subscribe to Pd-dev.

thanks,
M



On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:

>
> On Mar 9, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
>
>
>> Sadly it's too late to include Xth Sense to Pd-ext, I already ask for
>> the inclusion of PdMtl and Mtl Abstraction in the next Pd-ext (0.43).
>>
>>
> ooh :/
> wow, PdMtl is out there since ages...
> I always thought why it is not yet included.
>
>
> One showstopper is that it relies on objects that are not included in
> Pd-extended (pool, last I checked).  But mostly its because there has never
> been a proper versioned release.
>
>
> Quoting Hans
>> "
>> ...
>> I think its too late for 0.43, but 0.44 is definitely possible.  With
>> much less work, we can make it easy for people to find and install
>> themselves, and that takes effect once you do it. Only one small thing
>> has been added since November, so its in feature freeze.
>>
>>
> I see, fair enough. But why it is such a hassle?
> If the library is ready according to the community guidelines, is it still
> a pain to include it?
>
>
> People have come to expect quite a bit of consistency with libraries in
> Pd-extended, and this consistency is cross-platform.  Indeed this is a core
> goal of Pd-extended.  That means that new libraries need to be checked so
> that they are known to work the same across all platforms that Pd-extended
> supports.  It also means that every object included in Pd-extended will
> work with only Pd-extended, no external libraries required.  And it means
> that every object has its own help patch, and so on, and so forth.
>
> If you think that getting into Debian/testing is hard, that is easier than
> it seems.  The library template takes care of that for you, and I'm happy
> to sponsor/upload/maintain in Debian any Pd library that is based on the
> Library Template.
>
>
> - Having it on github will make that a easier too.  You don't need to
>> make release tarballs, for example, you can just tag a release in git,
>> ie "git tag v0.1", then github makes a link to a downloadable tarball.
>>
>>
> Xth Sense is happily on github already.
>
>
>
>> - adding it to the puredata.info/downloads section will make it easy for
>> people to find
>>
>> - and making sure it works fine when you drop it into ~/pd-externals,
>> ~/Library/Pd, etc.
>>
>
> did that to facilitate installation process during my workshop.
> Will add it to downloads when it will be ready.
>
>
> Tag a release, and github will make a download link for you.  Then you can
> add that to the downloads page.
>
> .hc
>
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