[PD] list vs. symbol array [was: Re: Licensing issues]

[Scott R. Looney]

i'm sorry if i ruffled anyone's feathers, but as a Max guy [coll] is really
useful for me. for example, if i know that using send and receives uses up
more CPU, i start think think of remote ways to send and retrieve multiple
lists. [coll] is perfect for that. one part of the machine stores values in
[coll] the other part retrieves them. easy to set and retrieve multiple
values as a result anywhere in the patch.

maybe it would just be fine if someone had a list of vetted externals
compiled for libpd with a simple chart indicating whether it runs in iOS,
Android, whatever. in fact it turns out that cyclone was ported by someone
to libpd, so you can fork their build, and see if it works for you. still
covered under BSD 3Clause (i looked up BSD 3 clause and it told me about
the alternate name of Improved BSD) and if you read the license you can see
it's more permissive about using binaries. anyway here's the site with the
[cyclone] port:

https://github.com/niklassaers/PdTest02WithCyclone

i'm totally in support of the GPL but i think that a number of us are still
using iOS devices because the hardware performance in audio in Android has
yet to come up to the level of performance available in iOS. i believe that
should happen sometime soon-ish, but until then it's a real issue, and
there need to be alternatives available.

scott




On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jesus, I wasn't responding to the specific example, nor was I saying you
> can do *everything* in Pd without externals. I too would love [coll] and
> [zl] in pd-vanilla. I'm also not saying you can easily build copies of them
> in vanilla, just that it is possible for certain things depending on what
> you need. By "seeing the vanilla light", I mean more that there are some
> things I needed externals for that I can replace and others I can reduce to
> a usable set for what I need ala rjdj. This is mainly because I will now
> need to target both desktop PD and a libpd environment.
>
> Also, I've never had to sort a list of symbols, so our workflow is
> different. I mainly use PD for sound only and do graphics/other tasks
> separately.
>
>
>
> I didn't mean to bring up an externals vs vanilla debate. We obviously use
> what's best for the situation. I'm choosing to work more in vanilla land
> because I simply can't include some externals in my app. Plus, I know those
> patches will *just work* for everyone.
>
>
> And what I'm saying is that some of those abstractions will _not_ *just
> work* for everyone because of the severe
> limitations of working in Pd Vanilla without any externals.  You can't
> easily change [symbolarray] to accommodate
> an array of lists instead of an array of symbols, and you cannot easily
> add a sorting mechanism because
> splitting symbols in Pd is difficult and slow.  For someone coming from
> Max's [coll] and [zl] and finding [textfile]/
> [qlist] inadequate for their list-of-list handling needs I find it very
> unlikely that [symbolarray] would suit their
> needs.
>
>
> We'll see in practice if this works, but I'd much rather avoid coding
> custom externals for this project.
>
>
> Also, does anyone know what cyclone's license is? I can't find the current
> version in the svn, but the old zip on the website has a BSD-like license.
> Having [coll] and [seq] would be very useful. It'd be nice to see these in
> vanilla at some point ... why reinvent the wheel?
>
>
> Look in [pd META] in the help patches for both those objects and it should
> tell you the license.
> SIBSD = Standard Improved BSD (which isn't a "standard" name for this
> license at all so we should
> probably change the terminology at some point) = 3-clause BSD
>
> -Jonathan
>
>
>
> [1] You can certainly split symbols and count their length in Pd vanilla
> but it ain't
>
> pretty.
>
>
> [list-sort] in list-abs.
>
>
>
> It only works for lists of floats:
>
>
> [list abigail aardvark(
> |
> [list-abs/list-sort]
> |
> [print]
>
> print: list-sort: Warning: dropped a non-number from list
> print: list-sort: Warning: dropped a non-number from list
> print: bang
>
>
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