[PD] Apply missing
Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans at at.or.at
Sun Feb 3 02:38:07 CET 2013
On 02/02/2013 02:06 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
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> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Max <abonnements at revolwear.com>
>> To: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
>> Cc: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>; PD list <pd-list at iem.at>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 1:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [PD] Apply missing
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>> Am 27.01.2012 um 17:39 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>:
>>> On Jan 27, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
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>>>>> From: Max <abonnements at revolwear.com>
>>>>> Am 27.01.2012 um 02:50 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:
>>>>>> On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 22:51 +0100, Max wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i noticed that in the current autobuilds of Pd-extended the
>> property
>>>>> dialogs for the gui-objects are missing the Apply-Button. Is that a
>> bug or a
>>>>> feature?
>>>>>>> IMHO this is a bug - if you want to adjust for instance a
>> canvas to be
>>>>> the same size as another object of unknown size you can do that
>> with a few
>>>>> clicks and the help of the Apply button. If you have to click OK
>> and then go to
>>>>> context menu->Properties, set the size, OK repeately to do that
>> it's
>>>>> simply annoying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That seems like a good enough reason, I brought back the Apply
>> button to
>>>>>> the iemgui Properties panel on Mac OS X. It was originally
>> moved since
>>>>>> the whole "OK, Apply, Cancel" is very Windows-like,
>> but there
>>>>> isn't an
>>>>>> easy way to make to work better, so the Apply button is back.
>> IMHO,
>>>>>> when you change the setting, it should take effect immediately.
>>>>>
>>>>> great. i agree that ideally i'd like to be able to see that
>> change happen
>>>>> immediately. even better: when grabbing the bottom-right corner
>> i'd have an
>>>>> anchor to scale the object (see Max/MSP for that)…
>>>>
>>>> Also see: pd-l2ork
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>>> I think you are referring to Ico trying to make the iemguis resizable live
>> with a handle. I should finally get to releasing something useful form the
>> tkwidgets lib, since that also includes resizing with a handle.
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>> I just had another Idea how to solve this: Two buttons: Cancel and OK when you
>> change some properties in the Dialog the OK Button becomes labeled Apply. If
>> clicked on Apply, the new properties are applied and the Button becomes labeled
>> OK. If you click OK the Dialog is closed.
>> That way a double click on Apply will apply and close the dialog.
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> That would double the number of clicks for users who never want to use
> Apply.
I think that we should avoid patch fixes and do the right thing. I think we
should follow the example of Pd itself, but then also GNOME and Mac OS X
preferences: changes should take effect immediately without having to hit
apply or OK. Then there should be unlimited undo for returning to previous
states. The first part o that is not hard, the second part is. But since
unlimited undo is working in some parts of pd-l2ork, we at least have a
working example to draw from.
hc
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