[PD] Sound on sound delay

[Pagano, Patrick]

Does anyone have an example if an eno-esque sound on sound delay system I can gander at and tweak? 

Patrick Pagano B.S,M.F.A
Asst. in Digital Art and Science
Digital Worlds Institute
University of Florida
(352) 294-2020


On Oct 5, 2013, at 3:19 PM, "Miller Puckette" <msp at ucsd.edu> wrote:

> Hmm... Looking back in the git repo i saw:
> 
> commit 42f3e5f8dbc60ad644e9f8a1c5b61d1847e19470
> Author: Miller Puckette <msp at ucsd.edu>
> Date:   Thu Nov 3 11:40:35 2011 -0700
> 
>    change expr~ source to LGPL license (with IRCAM"s permission :)
> 
> I had quite forgotten about this (and still can't remember this ever having happened)
> but here's the e-mail I got from Shahrokh:
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 02:50:53AM -0700, Shahrokh Yadegari wrote:
>>> Dear Max and Miller,
>>> 
>>> I got news from IRCAM that they are willing to release expr code on LGPL.
>>> Will that solve the current licensing problems?
>>> 
>>> Max, could you communicate to the list and let me know what they think
>> about
>>> this. I hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> Shahrokh
> 
> So I think we're in the clear (although I hope Shahrokh kept the mail from
> IRCAM authorizing this!)
> 
> I'll go on and change the source over here so that it appears in the git repo.
> (This will take some time as I first want to merge my 0.45 fixes into 'master'.)
> 
> cheers
> Miller
> 
> On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 02:41:48PM +0900, i go bananas wrote:
>> just to clarify,
>> 
>> Shahrokh Yadegari, IRCAM, and the JMax developers, ALL agreed with the
>> switch to LGPL license.
>> 
>> so AFAIK, the 'GPL' claim in the source code is still there simply because
>> no-one has changed it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, it seems like all the authors agree and there's already an LGPL
>>> license. I only brought up all of this due to the inconsistency between
>>> whats actually there in the source files. I'd love for that to just be
>>> changed and we all move on. It's not like this is a huge patent / money
>>> maker thing. If being anal and bringing this to light truly means I *can't*
>>> use it in the long run, well than I should have done what most everyone
>>> else does in these situations: use it and keep my mouth shut :P.
>>> 
>>> We know what is allowed / not allowed by Apple, don't need a lawyer for
>>> that.
>>> 
>>> On Oct 5, 2013, at 4:22 AM, pd-list-request at iem.at wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 10/04/2013 01:44 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:
>>> 
>>> One (not so minor) note on this... "expr" is copyright IRCAM (hahrokh
>>> Yadegari
>>> was working for IRCAM at the time) and is also included in Max, so it
>>> might be sbject to agreements between IRCAM and Cycling '74.
>>> 
>>> I was under the impression it was under GPL, not LGPL.  I just looked and
>>> saw that, indeed, the LICENSE.txt file says LGPL and the expr source code
>>> print out "GPL" on startup.  The reason I think it's actually GPL is that
>>> that is how IRCAM released it -- as part of jMAX, years ago.  The current
>>> code is based on that original code.  Although it was extensively reworked
>>> by Shahrokh, I presume the GPL terms under which he was working required
>>> him
>>> to release the result under GPL too.
>>> 
>>> So for the moment at least, I'm afraid FUD rules.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My vote would be to keep all the original GPL licenses in Pd vanilla's
>>> expr, and to remove the LGPL readme.  GPL was the licensed under
>>> which expr was originally released, so we can reasonably assume all the
>>> copyright holders agreed to that license.
>>> 
>>> If the consensus was that it should be changed in order to accomodate
>>> Pure Data builds on IOS, then everyone who wants to use expr on IOS
>>> should pool their resources and hire a lawyer to explain what is and
>>> isn't allowed under the LGPL and Apple's TOS.  The lawyer should also
>>> find out if it was indeed possible to change the license to LGPL in light
>>> of what Miller brings up about the original licensing.
>>> 
>>> That's two unknowns wrt LGPL expr, and they won't be solved by
>>> revising the source nor IANAL discussions.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Jonathan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --------
>>> Dan Wilcox
>>> @danomatika
>>> danomatika.com
>>> robotcowboy.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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