[PD] [PD-announce] Chocolate et Coffee

Jonathan Wilkes jancsika at yahoo.com
Thu Jan 2 20:35:04 CET 2014

On 01/02/2014 08:09 AM, Pierre Guillot wrote:
> For Chocolate : I made this library because I wanted to have other 
> behaviors than those available in Vanilla or Extented, I think that 
> design and ergonomics are really important and can change your 
> approach (I'm not a specialist, but that seems obvious). Nevertheless, 
> I understand that people prefer to use the native objects, my 
> propositions are totally subjective and I think that a big part come 
> from my experience with Max. Another reason of this work is that I 
> have another project and I need some specific methods in the objects. 
> I hope that you'll find this library more interesting when I'll be 
> able to present this work.
> For Coffee : I work with Pd Vanilla 0.45 so I don't really use 
> extented and it was really fast and easy to code them so I did it... 
> Except "prepend", I don't know where are this objects in Extented 
> (I'll be glad to know it) and if we put the libraries in the extented 
> distribution, we can remove my objects (it doesn't matter).
> The names came from a stupid joke with a friend where Vanilla became 
> Chocolate and Extented became Enhanced, nothing is really serious 
>  (don't worry, I do not claim to replace Vanilla or Extended). When I 
> realized that perhaps others than me could be interested to use the 
> library, I wanted to change the name to avoid mistake but it's really 
> boring to do.
> 2014/1/2 IOhannes m zmölnig <zmoelnig at iem.at <mailto:zmoelnig at iem.at>>
>     On 2013-12-31 11:46, Pierre Guillot wrote:
>     > Quickly : Chocolate is a set of GUIs sometimes already available
>     in PD
>     > Vanilla, PD extented or Max with new features (like presets
>     edition) that I
>     > hope, you'll enjoy.
>     as said before: they are great.
>     > And it will be a part of a more complex project for the
>     > writting of events. Coffee is a set of objects to facilitate the
>     patch
>     > creation.
>     but i'm not so sure about these: i think each and every of these
>     objects
>     already exists in another library (often in the context of a more
>     complete set of similar objects), so i don't fully see the point
>     of them.
>     >
>     > Download : https://github.com/pierreguillot/PdEnhanced/releases
>     and i would suggest to use another name instead of "PdEnhanced".
>     the name suggests that it is a flavour (and the use of "chocolate" and
>     "coffee" support this)  of Pd itself (like Pd-extended or
>     Pd-l2ork) but
>     your set of libraries really is just another set of libraries... there
>     about 100 libraries in the puredata SVN repository at sourceforge.
>     i guess it would be quite confusing if all of these libraries would be
>     called "PdEnhanced".

Realize that you're responding to someone who gave his library the 
extraordinarily clear and descriptive name of "zexy" :)

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