[PD] Cycle~ difference with Max5. Was: Update cyclone maintenance

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

hi there, not sure what you meant, but your patches demonstrate how the
offset argument is not working. It's clear to me they're not affecting the
object at all in test 1, cause they should cancel out and they don't. And
according to the help file of max, the offset argument only works if you
give it a buffer name (so I understand it doesn't work for the internal
cosine function). And it seems it's supposed to be an int value, meaning
the sample/index offset in the table, but it doesn't seem to work as well
with given table names.

Are you with me?

cheers

2015-06-08 5:10 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan at xs4all.nl>:

> Hi Alexandre,
>
> >> The offset can be set as argument and it works
> >
> > I can't seem to make it work, how do you do it? can you send me a patch?
>
> Here two patches. cycle~-test1.pd demonstrates the phase control using
> the internal buffer. I do not quite understand if and how the offset
> relates to the phase, but mixing two signals with a variable phase
> displays addition and elimination. cycle~-test2.pd should demonstrate
> the same with an external buffer~, but not having that I used an array.
> This doesn't do what I expect. I will do some more investigation on what
> it does.
> >
> > It seems [cycle~] will only work with tables that are 512 in size. It
> > can be of any size in max now, but  the help of Max 7 says: "This
> > wavetable may be of any size, _/*but historically was limited to 512
> > samples*/_." So maybe when [cyclone/cycle~] was made it was limited to
> > 512... anyway, this size limitation was something I also raised here.
>
> To keep maintenance to cyclone reasonable, I try to limit it to the
> functionality of Max 5. The documentation for Max 5 is conveniently
> online and I have a  installation available for comparison. So Max 7
> functionality is out of scope for me.
> >
> > More details, in max you can set [cycle~] with other messages to control
> > the buffer size and offset, check attached image.
>
> The buffer_sizeinsamps and buffer_offset attributes appear to be newer
> than Max 5. The sample-offset argument should work however.
> >
> > cheers
> >
> Greetings,
>
> Fred Jan
> >
> >
> >
> > 2015-06-07 17:08 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan at xs4all.nl
> > <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl>>:
> >
> >     Hi Alexandre,
> >
> >     I checked the cycle~ behaviour against the Max5 doc, and it appears
> to
> >     work as described. Only clicking to view the current buffer contents
> is
> >     not implemented (yet). The offset can be set as argument and it
> works.
> >     The second inlet controls the phase, which amounts to more or less
> >     the same.
> >
> >     Can you indicate what the differences are?
> >
> >     Greetings,
> >
> >     Fred Jan
> >
> >     On 2015-05-25 04:05 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> >     > hi fred, how's it going? I was checking [cycle~] and it seems it's
> not
> >     > behaving much closely like in max, have you checked that? I'm
> saying
> >     > more about its behaviour as a wavetable, where it can offsett the
> >     table
> >     > and everything.
> >     >
> >     > I can't find that list of bugs you were working on, where is it?
> >     How is
> >     > it anyway?
> >     >
> >     > thanks
> >     > cheers
> >     >
> >     > 2015-01-23 14:25 GMT-02:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan at xs4all.nl
> >     <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl>
> >     > <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl>>>:
> >     >
> >     >     Hi All,
> >     >
> >     >     At
> >     http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/index.html
> >     >     a new set of revised help-patches for the cyclone library are
> >     >     available. Most previous remarks are applied.
> >     >
> >     >     There are now previews of the Windows binaries and MacOSX. The
> >     >     latter is build on MacOSX 10.5 with XCode 3.14, so should have
> >     >     executables for PPC, i386 and i386_64. I confirmed the last
> >     two are
> >     >     working (10.5 and 10.8).
> >     >
> >     >     It remains in progress, in the task list are the fixed and
> >     remaining
> >     >     issues.
> >     >
> >     >     Fred Jan
> >     >
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