[PD] Update cyclone maintenance

Alexandre Torres Porres porres at gmail.com
Sat Jun 20 14:28:55 CEST 2015


I see, now it makes sense :)

> I think it doesn't need to be perfect

You know what? Me too, haha

take care

2015-06-20 5:43 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan at xs4all.nl>:

>
>
> On 2015-06-19 06:37 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> >> But please do not work on cyclone and
> >> break the Max/MSP compatibility.
> >
> > Howdy... Of course! Agreed! But not sure about the purpose of this
> > remark considering what was being discussed with [rampsmooth~] and all -
>
> I asked Hans off-list about reorganizing the cyclone source tree in the
> svn repositry. I thought it could use some maintenance, but wasn't sure
> it was a good idea.
>
> > it was for the sake of compatibility. We're actually being very strict
> > to make it exactly like Max here. For example, I've just mentioned
> > [slide~] should have control inlets instead of audio inlets like it has.
> > The fact that it also accepts audio signal doesn't break the
> > compatibility, and might be nicer, but I guess it needs to be that way
> > for it to be a proper clone.
>
> Having signal inlets, means it works with control messages too. So it
> won't break compatibility, IMHO. I think it doesn't need to be perfect,
> as long as it close enough and usable too.
>
> >
> > cheers
>
> Greetings,
>
> Fred Jan
> >
> > 2015-06-19 11:43 GMT-03:00 Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at
> > <mailto:hans at at.or.at>>:
> >
> >
> >     About maintaining cyclone, I think a reorg would be great, and
> further
> >     maintenance as well.  If you want to do whatever you want with it,
> >     then just
> >     make a fork and work on it as a new
> >     name.  If you want to stick to cyclone's central goal of Max/MSP
> >     compatibility, then keep working on it as cyclone.  But please do
> >     not work on
> >     cyclone and break the Max/MSP compatibility.
> >
> >     .hc
> >
> >     Alexandre Torres Porres:
> >     > About the [rampsmooth~], I see the new object is corrected, great!
> One
> >     > thing though, I just realized how it has no audio signal inlets
> >     for the
> >     > arguments!!! It was supposed to have them, just like [slide~] does.
> >     >
> >     > cheers
> >     >
> >     > 2015-06-07 7:28 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan at xs4all.nl
> >     <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl>>:
> >     >
> >     >> Hi Jan,
> >     >>
> >     >> Thanks for pointing this out. I had seen the logic juggling with
> >     >> RAMPSMOOTH_GEOMETRIC and RAMPSMOOTH_LINEAR, but hadn't came to the
> >     >> conclusion the default behaviour was incorrect. I changed the
> >     code for
> >     >> now, but could make the change possible at run-time, as it was
> >     intended.
> >     >> But as we already have [slide~] for this, it is not very needed.
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >> Greetings,
> >     >>
> >     >> Fred Jan
> >     >>
> >     >> On 2015-06-07 11:33 AM, Jan Baumgart wrote:
> >     >>> Actually, the linear version is already in cyclone's code.
> >     >>> You can choose at compile time by not setting
> >     >>> #define RAMPSMOOTH_GEOMETRIC
> >     >>>
> >     >>> cheers,
> >     >>> jan
> >     >>>
> >     >>> On 06/06/2015 10:26 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> >     >>>> I have another bug to report, now in [rampsmooth~].
> >     >>>>
> >     >>>> According to its help file, it should generate a linear ramp,
> >     but it
> >     >>>> doesn't. Instead, it generates a logarithmic curve just like
> >     [slide~]. I
> >     >>>> have attached a picture that shows how both are operating in
> >     the same
> >     >>>> way, where they shouldn't.
> >     >>>>
> >     >>>> In MAX, [rampsmooth~] does in fact generate a perfectly linear
> >     ramp,
> >     >>>> unlike [slide~].
> >     >>>>
> >     >>>> I was actually able to implement [slide~] only with [fexpr~],
> >     making it
> >     >>>> 100% compatible to vanilla. If there's a filter formula tht
> >     generates
> >     >>>> perfectly linear ramps I can implement it I guess, but it
> should be
> >     >>>> fairly easy to change it in the object. I'll see what I can do
> >     to help.
> >     >>>>
> >     >>>> cheers
> >     >>>>
> >     >>>> 2015-06-05 18:08 GMT-03:00 Dan Wilcox <danomatika at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:danomatika at gmail.com>
> >     >>>> <mailto:danomatika at gmail.com <mailto:danomatika at gmail.com>>>:
> >     >>>>
> >     >>>>     [m_scale] is an abstraction ...
> >     >>>>
> >     >>>>     --------
> >     >>>>     Dan Wilcox
> >     >>>>     @danomatika <https://twitter.com/danomatika>
> >     >>>>     danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com> <
> http://danomatika.com>
> >     >>>>     robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com>
> >     <http://robotcowboy.com>
> >     >>>>
> >     >>>>>     On Jun 5, 2015, at 5:05 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres
> >     >>>>>     <porres at gmail.com <mailto:porres at gmail.com>
> >     <mailto:porres at gmail.com <mailto:porres at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >     >>>>>
> >     >>>>>     Yeah, I already built it with expr, so I don't really need
> to
> >     >>>>>     download etxernals for that. I was just wondering if
> extended
> >     >>>>>     already had such a thing, and it doesn't, so I think it's
> >     a nice
> >     >>>>>     addon to cyclone.
> >     >>>>>
> >     >>>>>     An addon to cyclone would implicate and addon to extended,
> but
> >     >>>>>     then, it's not clear it'll ever be maintained again. Last
> time
> >     >>>>>     anyone talked about it in this list was 6 months ago...
> >     one way or
> >     >>>>>     another, seems like a nice addon to cyclone.
> >     >>>>>
> >     >>>>>     Maybe it could be just an abstraction and it doesn't have
> >     to be a
> >     >>>>>     compiled object, I see the point. But I'd like to try and
> >     code it
> >     >>>>>     as an external into the cyclone library if possible.
> >     >>>>>
> >     >>>>>     cheers
> >     >>>>>
> >     >>>>>     2015-06-05 17:50 GMT-03:00 Dan Wilcox
> >     <danomatika at gmail.com <mailto:danomatika at gmail.com>
> >     >>>>>     <mailto:danomatika at gmail.com <mailto:danomatika at gmail.com
> >>>:
> >     >>>>>
> >     >>>>>         See [m_scale] in rjlib:
> >     >>>>>         https://github.com/rjdj/rjlib/tree/master/rj
> >     >>>>>
> >     >>>>>         --------
> >     >>>>>         Dan Wilcox
> >     >>>>>         @danomatika <https://twitter.com/danomatika>
> >     >>>>>         danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com>
> >     <http://danomatika.com/>
> >     >>>>>         robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com>
> >     <http://robotcowboy.com/>
> >     >>>>>
> >     >>>>>>         On Jun 5, 2015, at 4:35 PM,
> >     pd-list-request at lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list-request at lists.iem.at>
> >     >>>>>>         <mailto:pd-list-request at lists.iem.at
> >     <mailto:pd-list-request at lists.iem.at>> wrote:
> >     >>>>>>
> >     >>>>>>         *From:*Alexandre Torres Porres <porres at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:porres at gmail.com>
> >     >>>>>>         <mailto:porres at gmail.com <mailto:porres at gmail.com>>>
> >     >>>>>>         *Subject:**Re: [PD] Update cyclone maintenance*
> >     >>>>>>         *Date:*June 5, 2015 at 4:34:55 PM EDT
> >     >>>>>>         *To:*Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan at xs4all.nl
> >     <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl>
> >     >>>>>>         <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl
> >>>
> >     >>>>>>         *Cc:*"pd-list at lists.iem.at
> >     <mailto:pd-list at lists.iem.at> <mailto:pd-list at lists.iem.at
> >     <mailto:pd-list at lists.iem.at>>"
> >     >>>>>>         <pd-list at lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list at lists.iem.at>
> >     <mailto:pd-list at lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list at lists.iem.at>>>
> >     >>>>>>
> >     >>>>>>
> >     >>>>>>         I'm voting for a new [scale] and [scale~] object in
> >     cyclone,
> >     >>>>>>         the second is missing completely in extended, the
> >     first is
> >     >>>>>>         around, but in different versions, like
> >     [maxlib/scale], which
> >     >>>>>>         has a log option, and is actually buggy, and the
> >     >>>>>>         [expr_scale], which is just an expr abstraction.
> >     Seems like
> >     >>>>>>         very simple externals to make and I could go ahead
> >     and code
> >     >>>>>>         them. I think they'd be really useful. For example,
> >     [scale~]
> >     >>>>>>         would be essential to adjust the amplitude range from
> >     LFOs to
> >     >>>>>>         control your patches. the [scale] would be good for
> >     adjusting
> >     >>>>>>         MIDI input.
> >     >>>>>>
> >     >>>>>>         cheers
> >     >>>>>
> >     >>>>>
> >     >>>>
> >     >>>>
> >     >>>>
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