[PD] Nettles. Was: Cyclone: List of Issues with existing objects by Alexandre Porres

[Matt Barber]

+1 To Ivica's proposal and rationale. There are plenty of people willing to
help with development and maintenance. If a Max 4.6 compatibility library
is really necessary, perhaps that could be the fork with the new name.

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico at vt.edu> wrote:

> FWIW, Fred, if there is a way to convince you to allow for adding new
> objects, I would certainly like to second that. In the eyes of new pd users
> who are familiar with Max, Cyclone is not only a Max 4.6 compatibility
> library, it is first and foremost Max compatibility library and that would
> suggest newer objects should be in there. I imagine the only reason they
> simply weren't already added is likely due to lack of a developer and
> maintainer. The last thing pd community needs is yet another library that
> may end-up without a maintainer. The confusion one will have to deal with
> by creating cyclone/prepend vs. <some-other-lib>/pong is pointless at best.
> If maintaining library overhead is a concern, please note we've already
> done a fair amount of creating updated help files for the entire cyclone
> library in pd-l2ork, as well as fixing and upgrading a number of objects,
> all of which I've gladly shared with you and continue to contribute as much
> as you allow and my time permits. But please, let's not start yet another
> library. If anything, we should look into consolidating. Pd-L2Ork has
> already started doing this. e.g. one of the examples brought up regarding
> Eric Lyon's potpourri and cyclone's cartopol~ and poltocar~, in pd-l2ork,
> potpourri objects are not being built because they are not necessary. All
> this with the goal of eventually doing away with
> subfolders/declares/imports and other middleware and simply having all the
> best externals in one folder and getting rid of the rest (or perhaps adding
> them in the unsupported/legacy subfolder). In such an ecosystem PD META
> will take care of the attribution and bug reporting and we'll be all better
> for it, particularly in terms of encouraging new users to join the pd
> community.
>
>
> On 2/17/2016 1:33 PM, Fred Jan Kraan wrote:
>
>> Hi Alexandre,
>>
>> Howdy, if you understand only a part of it, I know that I know about
>>> nothing.
>>>
>>> But hey, as I understand it, there's quite some work to make it (loading
>>> the weird name objects without [declare]) happen and you'd rather focus
>>> on other fixes, cool.
>>>
>>> Well, I'm just starting using github
>>> https://github.com/porres/pd-cyclone
>>> <
>>> https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fporres%2Fpd-cyclone&h=FAQF6upTy>
>>> and
>>> have mobilized others to collaborate with new objects for cyclone,
>>> according to that list I shared these days.
>>>
>>> You may have noticed a pull request already for [pong]. I'm working with
>>> someone else and we should be having scale / scale~ / atodb / dbtoa /
>>> atodb~ / dbtoa~ / trunc~ ready quite soon!
>>>
>>
>> Yes, I noticed. I appreciate all you do for pd and cyclone in particular,
>> but I cannot accept the request. Cyclone is one of the few libraries with a
>> closed set of objects; only those part of Max/MSP, arbitrary set around
>> version 4.6 or 5.
>>
>> Cyclone is already quite big, with 150+ objects. This seems a good reason
>> to be selective in which objects should be added. Just because objects are
>> or should be in Max/MSP is not reason enough. If it exists in another
>> library, it is unneeded IMHO.
>>
>>>
>>> I can bother myself to try and deal with the issues regarding these
>>> objects, but I think a start could be to create new objects with the
>>> unweird names, this is not in conflict with Max compatibility, as it
>>> also loads these objects via the same way (again, they'd be:
>>> /greaterthan~ / greaterthaneq~ / lessthan~ / lessthaneq~ / equals~ /
>>> notequals~ / plusequals~ / rminus~ / rminus / rdiv~ /  rdiv / modulo~/).
>>> It wouldn't get in conflict with current state of cyclone either and the
>>> help files of these objects could refer to nettles and all. Cool? Later
>>> on in the game I can try and figure out how to load them without declare.
>>>
>>
>> Personally I have no issue with [declare] as it is vanilla. Or with the
>> weird names; if you want un-weird names, abstractions (containing [declare]
>> should work too?
>>
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Fred Jan
>>
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