[PD] Catalina makes Pd take too long to load externals? + Other annoyances.

[hans w. koch]

(had replied to this earlier, but to alexandre only, by mistake.)

that annoying behaviour is called notarization and should protect the galaxy from evil bananas.
the delay could be caused by the notarization process checking against an internal database of good actors and in case there is no entry trying to do so online.
i´ve heard you can kill all this by turning off SIP (sytem integrity protection), but i am on mojave, which is slightly less annoying.

in addittion, if some brave soul on cataline wants to check if that assumption about notarization is true, there is some info here:
https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/117896
so the test would be to measure with and without that stuff…but thats certainly not a generally recommandable case.

best
hans

> Am 29.05.2020 um 10:42 schrieb Christof Ressi <info at christofressi.com>:
> 
> 
>> Not sure if this is a Pd thing or just something stupid that macOS now does for ALL applications. 
> https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/12/23/apple-will-enforce-app-notarization-for-macos-catalina-in-february
> 
> Welcome to macOS Catalina :-)
> 
> Christof
> 
> On 29.05.2020 03:16, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
>> Hey macOS/Catalina people (do we have any here?), I formatted my computer and decided to install Catalina just to test things and now I can't go back. I was forced to stay in the latest release because I can't install XCode from app store in the previous OS, it has to be Catalina... Miller is right to hate mac and windows force pushing upgrades <3 - I might still try to go back and install XCode somehow cause I'm starting to hate a few things - enough ranting!
>> 
>> Anyway, I already opened an issue that seems to affect Catalina - https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/988 - but for that tcl/tk might be the one to hate for. As long as we're at it, do other Catalina users have the same issue there?
>> 
>> Now for the actual subject of the email. I'm finding that externals in Catalina are taking too long to load. Anyone else feels that? It's kind of intermittent. Sometimes it does that, sometimes not... it's happening for me in Pd 0.50-2 and the new 0.51-0-test1 as well.
>> 
>> As for yet another annoyance, Catalina will now say it can't open Pd right out of the box when you download, and it'll even ask you if you want to delete. It does this even if you right click and ask to open it. Previously, you had to right click and ask to open so it would give you an option "do you really want to open this?". Now it just says something like 
>> 
>> "“Pd-0.50-2” cannot be opened because the developer cannot be verified.
>> 
>> macOS cannot verify that this app is free from malware.
>> 
>> Chrome downloaded this file today at 22:05 from msp.ucsd.edu." 
>> 
>> It's only when you say cancel and try that for a SECOND time is that if offers you the possibility to open if you really really want it and changes the warning to macOS cannot verify the developer of “Pd-0.50-2”. Are you sure you want to open it?. Not sure if this is a Pd thing or just something stupid that macOS now does for ALL applications. 
>> 
>> cheers
>> 
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