[PD] '$0' in messages again, another proposal?

[Christof Ressi]

I mean, it's definitly not the biggest pain point, but still. The 
problem is that all those (minor) inconveniences sum up eventually.

But maybe it's just my personal annoyance and most Pd users don't have a 
problem with it. Also, Miller really doesn't like this feature, so I 
probably should just give up :-)

On 02.12.2021 23:51, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
> On 12/2/21 23:34, Christof Ressi wrote:
>> Personally, I often use $0 in large "initializer" message boxes:
>>
>> [;$0-foo 10
>>
>> ;$0-bar 50
>>
>> ;$0-baz 10
>>
>> etc.(
>>
>> I like this better than creating dozens of individual [s] objects. 
>> The workaround is to use $1 instead and pass the $0 from a [float] 
>> object, but yeah...
>
> i tend to prefer [list append $0] (or [symbol $0-buf] if in can be 
> more specific) over [float $0], keeping the type of $0 opaque.
>
> but anyhow, i personally have stopped using those large initializer 
> mgxboxes long long ago - probably *because* they don't expand $0; but 
> probably also because:
> - if there's only a single init-state, i initialize within the object 
> s (or nearby) rather than with a msgbox "somewhere else".
> . if there's multiple init-states, i'd just go for a file-based state 
> saver, and solve the problem entirely different.
>
>>
>> It's also an issue when I want to create a message like this:
>>
>> [read media/$1-$2.wav $0-buf-l $0-buf-r(
>
> well yes. that's te [soundfiler] use case i acknowledged.
>>
>>>> Whenever we need "$0" for a send name, 
>>>
>>> then i tyically use [send $0-foo], where there's no msgbox involved 
>>> at all. 
>> The message box syntax is often more convenient:
>>
>> [;$0-array const $1(
>>
>> Of course, I could just as well write
>>
>> [const $1( -> [s $0-array]
>>
>> but people are lazy :-)
>
> how much lazy?
>
> i find the latter more readable than the former for anything but 
> idiosyncratic sending-msgboxes like [; pd dsp 1(
> so i'm totally fine with having an additional multiky-stroke (afaict 
> it's really only a single Ctrl+1 that youhave to type more. and on my 
> german keyboard i prefer typing "s" over ";")
>
>
>> IMO it is a real pain point. Otherwise this topic wouldn't come up 
>> again and again...
>
> does it?
> there are obviously *some* people who feel a real pain and articulate it.
> it seems the Pd-list community is not very much into likes (and i 
> myself are not on fb so i don't know what is happening over there), 
> but your PR received 3 thumbs up.
> this is not exactly bad for our upvotes, but...
> maybe the pained people could just head over and upvote.
>
>
> mgfsa
> IOhannes
>
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