[PD] ​fan-out (was Re: Pd-list Digest, Vol 203, Issue 12)

[Samuel Burt]

Sorry about the bad subject. Don't post too regularly and not sure the best
way to reply to a thread here. Guess it's just reply, change subject,
delete irrelevant parts of the thread. I do appreciate your patience and
continued conversation.

An even better feature would be to hover over an outlet and see the
connected inlets and/or cables highlighted. I generally make neat patches
that are easy to follow, but even with neat patches there can be a lot of
crossed cables. I imagine implementing this would be even more difficult.
Is Pd's GUI kept really simple because it's difficult to implement new
features or because it's important to keep a low impact on the cpu?

IOhannes, I didn't even know you could connect an inlet-outlet pair twice.
What is the effect? Does it send the data twice at control rate and does is
it additive with signals?

Sam




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> From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at>
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> Subject: [PD] fan-out (was Re:  Pd-list Digest, Vol 203, Issue 12)
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> hi.
>
> it would be super-cool if you could change the subject to something
> meaningful before replying to a digest mail.
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> On 2/10/22 14:39, Samuel Burt wrote:
> > Having used Pd for two decades, this still catches me occasionally. I was
>
> that's the reason why i think that statements like "Fanning out to cold
> control inlets is perfectly fine" and "I also admit to using fanning
> when I know order isn't as important for that case" are problematic.
> not because they are wrong (they are objectively correct), but because
> they encourage bad habits which are hard to come by.
>
>
> > only able to debug the problem because I knew this could be an issue.
> Guess
> > the UI doesn't allow for some kind of subtle indication that you've
> fanned
> > connections from an outlet. Would be nice though if a little "x2", "x3",
> > and "x4" would pop up next to your mouse cursor when you are making a
> > connection and mouse over the next inlet.
>
> dunno.
> if you are currently creating a fan-out you are hopefully aware that you
> are doing just that (i think it's *really* hard to not notice that an
> outlet already has a connection going out).
> so the problem is not to make people aware that they are fanning out,
> but to make people aware that this might introduce message ordering
> problems.
>
> in the meantime, use triggerize (Ctrl+a Ctrl+t) to resolve all your
> fan-outs.
>
> gfmkdf
> IOhannes
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> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 15:00:48 +0100
> From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at>
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> On 2/10/22 10:30, Roman Haefeli wrote:
> > 2) I believe it's more valuable if people do not fanning connections
> > because they understand their implications rather than because a
> > message tells them to avoid them.
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> but maybe they can be made aware of the implications if they were made
> explicit.
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> >
> > 3) I'm personally not so fond of the idea of giving people patching
> > advice.
>
> i understand that.
>
> on a related note:
> since Pd-0.52 it is no longer possible to connect a single outlet to
> single inlet twice.
> after reading this thread , i wonder whether this was premature and
> whether we should undo that change.
>
> gfmasdr
> IOhannes
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