[PD] Deken not showing ELSE external and others on Raspberry Pi with Debian 12

Alexandre Torres Porres porres at gmail.com
Mon Feb 5 20:14:40 CET 2024

Em dom., 4 de fev. de 2024 às 10:13, Linux Rouen Normandie <
linux.rouen at free.fr> escreveu:

> And out of the  'Linux-arm64-32 / Linux-armv7-32 / Linux-armv6-32', which
> one should I not use?
> Frankly, I don't know enough about that.
> This should be discussed with people understanding how Pd/Deken is working
> for determining which RPi OS/HW platform is in use.

Just compile for me now with both of the systems please, like you did last
time but this time also for armv8 (Linux-arm64-32). I'll upload to deken
and we'll see what is the other one you have (I guess it's armv7-32)  and
we'll leave it at that and ditch the other one, probably armv6

please just compile with the specific appropriate binary extension: "
*.l_arm64*" for armv8, and "*.l_arm*" for the other one.

RC11 is ready and here

I can actually compile for pi with a virtual machine, but not for plaits~,
circuit~, sfz~ and sfont~. So you can try and just compile these for armv8.
Note that the trickiest one is sfont~, which needs to collect the
dependencies via a script. Since rc10, only plaits~ changed, so I would
only ask for that one for armv7 (since I already have the binaries from the
last release), but I need all those four for armv8 at least. If you are up
and game for it, you can just run the full compilation for extra fun in
both cases.

Thanks a lot

> What I have done on my RPi 400 regarding myself compiled Pd versions from
> 0.53-0 to 0.54-1:
> - Pd/Deken installed under RPi OS 11 32-bit
>   Default platform 'Linux-armv6-32' => User defined-platform
> 'Linux-arm7-32'
> - Pd/Deken installed under RPi OS 12 64-bit (only Pd 0.54-1)
>   Default platform 'Linux-armv8-32' => User defined-platform
> 'Linux-arm64-32'
>   And for your externals I have compiled Else 1.0-0 rc-10, including the
> above 4 [*~] objects, from the source code and installed manually Cyclone
> from the unzipped 'cyclone-0.8.0_armv8_Linux64.zip'.
> - If not and in both OS versions only very few and old externals were
> found by Pd/Deken.
> thanks
> ----------
> Em sáb., 3 de fev. de 2024 às 16:07, Linux Rouen Normandie <
> linux.rouen at free.fr> escreveu:
>> What I said about 2 months ago is:
>> - At that time the main used RPi OS was/is v.11 32-bit (based on Debian
>> Bullseye).
>> - This OS was/is largely used on all RPi H/W, either 32-bit and/or 64-bit
>> capable.
>> Since RPi OS 12 64-bit (based on Debian Bookworm) became official on
>> 11th Oct. 2023
>> <https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/bookworm-the-new-version-of-raspberry-pi-os/>,
>> this one will slowly but surely replace RPi OS 11/12 32-bit on the
>> compatible hardware; i.e. 3B, 3B+, 3A+, 4B, 400, 5, CM3, CM3+, CM4, CM4S,
>> and Zero 2 W.
>> My RPi 400 (4 GB RAM) has a chip-set which can run both 32 and 64-bit OSs.
>> Up to about 2 months ago I was only running under RPi OS 11 32-bit, as
>> recommended by the RPi Foundation (64-bit was not considered as being
>> enough completed).
>> Now I'm also running under RPi OS 12 64-bit but this one is still buggy
>> vs. the previous 32-bit version.
>> Regarding Pd/Deken (I built it from the source code), I was obliged for
>> both RPi OS 11 32-bit and RPi OS 12 64-bit to change the default platform
>> to a user-defined platform to be able to get access to a larger externals
>> offer.
>> During my Pd 0.54-1 compilation under RPi OS 12 64-bit I got:
>> pd 0.54.1 is now configured
>>     Platform:             Linux
>>     Float size:           default
>>     ...
>>     Deken identifier:     linux-arm64
>>     ...
>> After my today RPi OS 12 64-bit system update, I have:
>>     OS: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) aarch64
>>     Host: Raspberry Pi 400 Rev 1.0
>>     Kernel: 6.1.0-*rpi8*-rpi-v8
>>                 -when just few hours ago I had-
>>     OS: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) aarch64
>>     Host: Raspberry Pi 400 Rev 1.0
>>     Kernel: 6.1.0-*rpi7*-rpi-v8
>>           -when just after this OS installation I had-
>>     OS: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) aarch64
>>     Host: Raspberry Pi 400 Rev 1.0
>>     Kernel: 6.1.0-*rpi6*-rpi-v8
>> I hope this clarifies a little bit my previous writings. 😉
>> The Pd/Deken platform detection issue remains open.
>> - - - - - - - - -
>> Le 03/02/2024 à 16:18, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 at 09:55 Linux Rouen Normandie <linux.rouen at free.fr>
>> wrote:
>>> Well - well, who said I have said that !? 😕
>> I can clearly be wrong with what you said, but then explain again please
>> :) I just remember something that you mentioned armv8 64 bits is really rare
>>> Now on my RPi 400, I'm running since few weeks the latest RPi OS 12
>>> 64-bit (Debian Bookworm).
>>> At least up to few weeks ago Else was not available for this platform,
>>> except the old v.1.0-0 rc-6.
>>> This why for each release I 'm building Else from its source code
>>> including the missing 4 objects [sfont~], [circuit~], [sfz~] and [plaits~].
>>> Here my understanding is for seeing the available librairies in Deken we
>>> need to change the Default platform 'Linux-armv8-32' to the User
>>> defined-platform 'Linux-arm64-32'.
>>> See the attached screen capture.
>> But shouldn’t it get it right without this?
>>> Best,
>>> Joseph
>>> ----------
>>> Le 03/02/2024 à 07:39, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
>>> Hi, to add  on the discussion, Francisco talked to me in private and I
>>> asked him to bring this to the list.
>>> First, I stopped offering raspberry pi binaries for amv8 for a while
>>> now. Joseph (Linux ROUEN Normandie) said that that it'd be really rare for
>>> someone to use it, and Francisco is using it and needs it, so I'd like to
>>> get this straight. Apparently I should bother and offer these binaries
>>> again. Francisco, do you know why you need this and not something else?
>>> Joseph, can you join in the discussion and tell us again why this should
>>> not be necessary?
>>> Last release I have with 'armv8' binaries is rc6, still up in deken.
>>> Francisco confirmed they work, but it doesn't show up for him! I am now
>>> about to release rc11, and I keep only the 5 last releases in the serve so
>>> I don't take too much space, so rc6 is about to be deleted. I just uploaded
>>> (after Francisco's email) rc11 binaries for pi (armv6, armv7 and armv8).
>>> It's up in deken... I dont think I need the 3 of them, but is seems I need
>>> at least 2, right?
>>> Now, these uploaded packagee misses 4 objects, [sfont~], [circuit~],
>>> [sfz~] and [plaits~]. I need help compiling them for armv8 and whatever
>>> ELSE I need to provide, so what we have up there now is just a *test*
>>> until we can figure things out. The dekn system uploaded the packages as
>>> 'Linux-arm64-32 / Linux-armv7-32 / Linux-armv6-32'. Francisco seems to need
>>> 'Linux-arm64-32', ('armv8'), and it doesn't show.
>>> Em sex., 2 de fev. de 2024 às 21:50, Francisco Medeiros <
>>> excalibas at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>  Deken is not showing the ELSE external, nor many other externals
>>>> available for Linux-Arm64-32.
>>> see?
>>>> When starting deken says Platform detected: Linux-aarch64-float32" and
>>>> "Platform re-detected: Linux-armv8-float32".
>>> Why both? Now I wonder that maybe it should have detected
>>> 'Linux-arm64-32' instead? I don't know...
>>> cheers
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