[PD] Re: PD-list digest, Vol 1 #1154 - 15 msgs
Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans at eds.org
Sun May 2 06:15:36 CEST 2004
Try the Windows installer:
http://pure-data.iem.at/downloads/
or the test version:
http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers/
.hc
On May 1, 2004, at 2:07 PM, Patricia Albajar wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Please, how do I install Gem on Win XP?
> Thanks a lot.
>
>
>
>
>
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>> 1. Re: Is there a 'switch' object? (carmen)
>> 2. Re: Is there a 'switch' object? (Yves Degoyon)
>> 3. Re: Is there a 'switch' object? (Eric Skogen)
>> 4. Re: Is there a 'switch' object? (matthew jones)
>> 5. RE: Is there a 'switch' object? (Matthew Allen)
>> 6. Re: WAV format (Martin Peach)
>> 7. RE: Is there a 'switch' object? (Matthew Allen)
>> 8. py/pyext and dyn~ (Vincent Rioux)
>> 9. Re: WAV format (vanDongen/Gilcher)
>> 10. loading libraries in OS X? (David Kendall)
>> 11. Re: loading libraries in OS X? (roc)
>> 12. Re: loading libraries in OS X? (David Kendall)
>> 13. Re: loading libraries in OS X? (David Kendall)
>> 14. Re: loading libraries in OS X? (roc)
>> 15. cyclone for OS X? (David Kendall)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:04:40 -0700
>> From: carmen <ix at replic.net>
>> To: pd-list at iem.at
>> Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a 'switch' object?
>>
>>> I'm wondering if an object exists that can act as a 'switch'. What I
> mean is
>>> that when it is in one state, the signal flow continues in one
>>> direction
> and
>>> when in the other it goes in another direction, basically
>>> deactivating
> the
>>
>> theres surely a dozen more ways to do this, but a toggle & a pair of
> spigots fed with == 0 and == 1//
>>
>>> the switch is in another state. All this to save cpu, since both
> processes
>>> could be placed inline, but would consume too much cpu.
>>
>> suppose you have two subpatches both heavily taxing the cpu with
> audio-rate signal processing, but due to your switch, you only want
> one of
> them on at once. is there a way to selectively disable dsp on a
> subpatch
> basis? i saw something in the help files about a similar trick for
> blocksize, but perhaps i havent dug deep enough to into the scheduler
> code
> or help files to know if something like a simple toggle .x40203 DSP 0
> method
> exists..
>>
>>
>> --__--__--
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:16:13 +0200
>> From: Yves Degoyon <ydegoyon at free.fr>
>> To: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at>
>> CC: matthew jones <m.jones at signal.qinetiq.com>,
>> PD-List <pd-list at iem.kug.ac.at>, acabrera at teleset.com.co
>> Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a 'switch' object?
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> exactly for that purpose, but for different kind of data,
>> you can find :
>>
>> * for audio signals :
>> spigot~ from http://ydegoyon.free.fr/software.html
>>
>> * for pdp video processing :
>> pdp_spigot from http://ydegoyon.free.fr/pidip.html
>>
>> for other data, like messages or floats,
>> the built-in spigot, demux or moses
>> can do the trick.
>>
>> cheers,
>> sevy
>>
>> IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
>>
>>> matthew jones wrote:
>>>
>>>> hi,
>>>> I would stick process 1 in one subpatch, process 2 in a second
>>>> subpatch, and
>>>> control them by sending 1's and 0's to switch~ objects inside each
>>>> subpath,
>>>> turning them on or off. This just turns dsp on/off for that
>>>> subpatch.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> i do think, that "signal flow" was *not* referring to pd's signals
>>> but
>>> rather to messages (considering the terms "Gem" and "video
>>> processing"
>>> in the original mail)
>>> but of course [switch~] this is perfect for this kind of things.
>>>
>>> [moses] just works on streams of floats, so it is not really useful
>>> for unspecified "messages"
>>>
>>>
>>> mfg.asd.aas
>>> IOhannes
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:35:34 -0500
>> From: Eric Skogen <eskogen at usfamily.net>
>> To: carmen <ix at replic.net>
>> Cc: pd-list at iem.at
>> Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a 'switch' object?
>>
>>
>>> theres surely a dozen more ways to do this, but a toggle & a pair of
> spigots fed with == 0 and == 1//
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> nice. using the built in [==] makes a lot more sense than the [invert]
>> object i was using...
>>
>>> suppose you have two subpatches both heavily taxing the cpu with
> audio-rate signal processing, but due to your switch, you only want
> one of
> them on at once. is there a way to selectively disable dsp on a
> subpatch
> basis? i saw something in the help files about a similar trick for
> blocksize, but perhaps i havent dug deep enough to into the scheduler
> code
> or help files to know if something like a simple toggle .x40203 DSP 0
> method
> exists..
>>>
>>>
>> for this, try [switch~], which serves the function of "switch"ing on
>> and
>> off DSP for a subpatch. send it a toggle.
>>
>> somewhere i remember seeing an abstraction which would detect when the
>> inlet~ level is quiet and [switch~] off DSP at that time, and turn it
>> on
>> again when it gets more level ... i thought it was a good idea, as
>> long
>> as there's some envelope to avoid clicks. can't find the abstraction
>> now
>> though...
>>
>> e
>>
>>
>> --__--__--
>>
>> Message: 4
>> From: "matthew jones" <m.jones at signal.qinetiq.com>
>> To: "PD-List" <pd-list at iem.kug.ac.at>, "Eric Skogen"
> <eskogen at usfamily.net>
>> Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a 'switch' object?
>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:05:00 +0100
>>
>>> somewhere i remember seeing an abstraction which would detect when
>>> the
>>> inlet~ level is quiet and [switch~] off DSP at that time, and turn
>>> it on
>>> again when it gets more level ... i thought it was a good idea, as
>>> long
>>> as there's some envelope to avoid clicks. can't find the abstraction
>>> now
>>> though...
>>
>> it's in the sigzero~ help file (zexy)
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> http://www.loopit.org/
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>
>>
>> --__--__--
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Subject: RE: [PD] Is there a 'switch' object?
>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:08:00 -0700
>> From: "Matthew Allen" <matthew at lith.com>
>> To: "Eric Skogen" <eskogen at usfamily.net>,
>> "carmen" <ix at replic.net>
>> Cc: <pd-list at iem.at>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: pd-list-admin at iem.at [mailto:pd-list-admin at iem.at] On Behalf Of
>> Eric
>>> Skogen
>>> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 6:36 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a 'switch' object?
>>>
>>> somewhere i remember seeing an abstraction which would detect when
>>> the
>>> inlet~ level is quiet and [switch~] off DSP at that time, and turn it
>> on
>>> again when it gets more level ... i thought it was a good idea, as
>> long
>>> as there's some envelope to avoid clicks. can't find the abstraction
>> now
>>> though...
>>>
>>
>> The [threshold~] object is your friend here.
>>
>> I use this technique quite a bit for things like volume envelopes and
>> filters.
>>
>>
>> .matt
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:06:26 -0400
>> From: Martin Peach <martinrp at vax2.concordia.ca>
>> Subject: Re: [PD] WAV format
>> To: Jeffrey Hildebrand <jshildebrand at ucdavis.edu>
>> Cc: pd-list at iem.at
>>
>> Jeffrey Hildebrand wrote:
>>> i'm having trouble figuring this out. can somebody take a song and
>>> get a
>>> printout or text file of samples? like take a WAV file and then get a
> file
>>> from that because that would really help me with my research. thanks,
>>
>>
>> You should be able to find a program called hexdump that will do that
>> for any file.
>> Martin
>>
>>
>>
>> --__--__--
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Subject: RE: [PD] Is there a 'switch' object?
>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:12:35 -0700
>> From: "Matthew Allen" <matthew at lith.com>
>> To: "matthew jones" <m.jones at signal.qinetiq.com>,
>> "PD-List" <pd-list at iem.kug.ac.at>,
>> "Eric Skogen" <eskogen at usfamily.net>
>>
>> I will have to take a look at this patch. What are the advantages of
>> using [sigzero~] (which I am guessing bangs the output when the signal
>> gets to zero) over something like [threshold~] which gives you control
>> over low value bang and high value bang, along with jitter control?
>>
>> m.
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: pd-list-admin at iem.at [mailto:pd-list-admin at iem.at] On Behalf Of
>>> matthew jones
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 7:05 AM
>>> To: PD-List; Eric Skogen
>>> Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a 'switch' object?
>>> =20
>>>> somewhere i remember seeing an abstraction which would detect when
>> the
>>>> inlet~ level is quiet and [switch~] off DSP at that time, and turn
>> it on
>>>> again when it gets more level ... i thought it was a good idea, as
>> long
>>>> as there's some envelope to avoid clicks. can't find the abstraction
>> now
>>>> though...
>>> =20
>>> it's in the sigzero~ help file (zexy)
>>> =20
>>> Matt
>>> =20
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:31:29 +0200
>> To: "Thomas Grill" <t.grill at gmx.net>,
>> From: Vincent Rioux <vincent.rioux at no-log.org>
>> Cc: pd-list at iem.kug.ac.at
>> Subject: [PD] py/pyext and dyn~
>>
>> Dear Thomas,
>>
>> Being a great fan of py/pyext, I recently tried to use dyn~ in
> combination.
>> It turned out that I did not read carefully your webpages...
>>
>> I received a "Fatal Python error: PyThreadState_Get: no current
>> thread" as
>> a response :-/
>>
>> But just to be really sure, is it so that dyn~ does only accept the
> dynamic
>> creation of standard Pd objects
>> and not the one of complex objets like the ones created with py/pyext?
>>
>> If yes, do you see any chances in the futur that this might happen?
>>
>> In fact I would really like to use py/pyext to drive dyn~ to build pd
>> objects containing py/pyext objects...
>>
>> cordially,
>> vincent
>>
>>
>>
>> --__--__--
>>
>> Message: 9
>> From: vanDongen/Gilcher <gml at xs4all.nl>
>> Reply-To: gml at xs4all.nl
>> To: pd-list at iem.at
>> Subject: Re: [PD] WAV format
>> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 00:25:55 +0000
>>
>> A hexdump would be a way to see the actual bytes, but I think you
>> would
> want
>> to see sample frame values. That would mean reading the header of the
>> WAV
>> file and based on the number of channels and the sample type printing
>> a
>> listing of human readable decimal numbers.
>> One way to do this in pd, is to write the sound to a table with
>> soundfiler
> I
>> think, and then reading the table and printing it out to the console
>> or
>> putting it in a textfile object and saving that. The table has to be
>> big
>> enough, but if you really want to see the sample values, you are
>> probably
> not
>> dealing with minutes of sound.
>>
>> Gerard
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday 29 April 2004 16:06, Martin Peach wrote:
>>> Jeffrey Hildebrand wrote:
>>>> i'm having trouble figuring this out. can somebody take a song and
>>>> get
> a
>>>> printout or text file of samples? like take a WAV file and then get
>>>> a
>>>> file from that because that would really help me with my research.
>>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> You should be able to find a program called hexdump that will do that
>>> for any file.
>>> Martin
>>>
>>>
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>> --
>> electronic & acoustic musics-- http://www.xs4all.nl/~gml
>>
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:43:59 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: David Kendall <dkendall at calarts.edu>
>> To: pd-list at iem.at
>> Subject: [PD] loading libraries in OS X?
>>
>> Hello Everyone
>>
>> I am in the process of switching computers, and operating systems,
>> from
>> windows 98 to mac OS X, and I am trying to load all of my patches
>> that I
>> wrote in windows to my new computer.
>>
>> I had no trouble installing pd on OS X, but now I can't figure out
>> how to
>> load libraries (percolate, especially!) on to Pd. I know how to do it
>> on
>> the DOS command line.
>>
>> Is the syntax the same? i.e.:
>>
>> pd -lib percolate ........or whatever...
>>
>> It seems like I am missing a pretty simple solution, though I would
>> like
>> to have Pd for OS X running as soon as possible, so any help would be
>> greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>> --__--__--
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 04:20:28 +0200
>> Subject: Re: [PD] loading libraries in OS X?
>> Cc: pd-list at iem.at
>> To: David Kendall <dkendall at calarts.edu>
>> From: roc <principio at ilimit.es>
>>
>>> I had no trouble installing pd on OS X, but now I can't figure out
> how=20=
>>
>>> to
>>> load libraries (percolate, especially!) on to Pd. I know how to do
> it=20=
>>
>>> on
>>> the DOS command line.
>>> Is the syntax the same? i.e.:
>>>
>>> pd -lib percolate ........or whatever...
>>
>>
>> yes, same syntax. so as long as the libs are in the right path,
>> there=20
>> should be no problem
>> you can also have them all in the .pdrc file (see the list archive
>> for=20=
>>
>> tips and hints on that)
>> best
>>
>> r
>> --------------------
>> %evol--------http://www.mego.at/evol.html
>> %alku--------http://personal.ilimit.es/principio
>> %imb=E9cil----http://imbecil.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --__--__--
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:44:40 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: David Kendall <dkendall at calarts.edu>
>> To: roc <principio at ilimit.es>
>> cc: pd-list at iem.at
>> Subject: Re: [PD] loading libraries in OS X?
>>
>> I think my problem might have more to do with the UNIX syntax of OS
>> X. Where do I find the .pdrc?=20
>>
>> To run pd from the terminal I am using the command "open pd", but
>> when I
>> add tags the terminal tries to look them up as file names.
>>
>> To reiterate:
>>
>> I am running Pd on OS X, which is still pretty new to me, and I can
>> run Pd
>> on the command line, but not with the optional tags.=20
>>
>> Does this make sense?
>>
>> ,d.
>>
>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, roc wrote:
>>
>>>> I had no trouble installing pd on OS X, but now I can't figure out
> how=
>> =20
>>>> to
>>>> load libraries (percolate, especially!) on to Pd. I know how to do
>>>> it=
>> =20
>>>> on
>>>> the DOS command line.
>>>> Is the syntax the same? i.e.:
>>>>
>>>> pd -lib percolate ........or whatever...
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> yes, same syntax. so as long as the libs are in the right path,
>>> there=20
>>> should be no problem
>>> you can also have them all in the .pdrc file (see the list archive
> for=20
>>> tips and hints on that)
>>> best
>>> =20
>>> r
>>> --------------------
>>> %evol--------http://www.mego.at/evol.html
>>> %alku--------http://personal.ilimit.es/principio
>>> %imb=E9cil----http://imbecil.net
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>
>>
>>
>> --__--__--
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:53:14 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: David Kendall <dkendall at calarts.edu>
>> To: roc <principio at ilimit.es>
>> cc: pd-list at iem.at
>> Subject: Re: [PD] loading libraries in OS X?
>>
>> I think my problem has a lot to do with my lack of familiarity with
>> the
>> unix syntax. Right now I can run pd from the terminal using the
>> command
>> "open pd", but when I add the tags to add libraries, the shell looks
>> for
>> them as if the tags were file names.
>>
>> where is the .pdrc?
>>
>> do I need to change the settings on the terminal?
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, roc wrote:
>>
>>>> I had no trouble installing pd on OS X, but now I can't figure out
> how=
>> =20
>>>> to
>>>> load libraries (percolate, especially!) on to Pd. I know how to do
>>>> it=
>> =20
>>>> on
>>>> the DOS command line.
>>>> Is the syntax the same? i.e.:
>>>>
>>>> pd -lib percolate ........or whatever...
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> yes, same syntax. so as long as the libs are in the right path,
>>> there=20
>>> should be no problem
>>> you can also have them all in the .pdrc file (see the list archive
> for=20
>>> tips and hints on that)
>>> best
>>> =20
>>> r
>>> --------------------
>>> %evol--------http://www.mego.at/evol.html
>>> %alku--------http://personal.ilimit.es/principio
>>> %imb=E9cil----http://imbecil.net
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> =20
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>>> =20
>>
>>
>>
>> --__--__--
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 05:14:08 +0200
>> Subject: Re: [PD] loading libraries in OS X?
>> Cc: pd-list at iem.at
>> To: David Kendall <dkendall at calarts.edu>
>> From: roc <principio at ilimit.es>
>>
>>
>>> I think my problem might have more to do with the UNIX syntax of OS
>>> X. Where do I find the .pdrc?
>>
>> .pdrc is not in your system by default. you have to create it with
>> a=20
>> text editor like pico, emacs or whatever
>> you can use it to tell up to load the libs on startup. browse the
>> list=20=
>>
>> archive for varied examples
>>
>>
>>> To run pd from the terminal I am using the command "open pd", but
> when=20=
>>
>>> I
>>> add tags the terminal tries to look them up as file names.
>>
>> try: /usr/local/pd/bin/pd
>> assuming that's the correct path.
>> use "-open xxxxxx" to open files.
>> you can add the "-lib percolate" to that, although it's more handy
>> to=20
>> have the .pdrc or at least an alias (on your .tcshrc file)
>> bst
>>
>>
>> r
>> --------------------
>> %evol--------http://www.mego.at/evol.html
>> %alku--------http://personal.ilimit.es/principio
>> %imb=E9cil----http://imbecil.net=
>>
>>
>>
>> --__--__--
>>
>> Message: 15
>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:36:31 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: David Kendall <dkendall at calarts.edu>
>> To: pd-list at iem.at
>> Subject: [PD] cyclone for OS X?
>>
>> Is there a version of Cyclone for OS X? going to the
>> page http://suita.chopin.edu.pl/~czaja/miXed/externs/cyclone.html,
>> there
>> are linux binaries, which I am assuming do not work for mac.... To get
>> cyclone running will I need to compile the source code myself?
>>
>> david
>>
>>
>>
>>
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