[PD] Catalina makes Pd take too long to load externals? + Other annoyances.

[Christof Ressi]

> Also, everyone please stop the constant FUD about forced upgrades.
+1

<rant>

I don't really see how Windows or macOS force anyone to upgrade the OS. 
You can still use your favourite 20 year OS, just don't expect to get 
security updates or run recent software.

Are *we* forcing people to upgrade to the latest Pd version because we 
don't backport features and bugfixes to Pd 0.34?

Software improves and new software builds on top on that. That's just 
how it works.

Now, backwards compatibility is a whole different story. Breaking 
changes or feature removal might indeed force users to upgrade their 
software. Actually, Windows and macOS differ a lot in this regard. I 
kind of understand both sides, but I have my personal preference ;-)

</rant>

Christof

On 29.05.2020 12:35, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> Y'all: I fixed this months go, it's just not in the current builds 
> (but now in the current master):
>
> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/838
>
> Someone sent an email to pd-dev about it, I fixed it, and they tested 
> the fix. If you want to test on Catalina, try the 
> "Pd-0.52-2-signed.zip" on http://docs.danomatika.com/pdbuilds/0.51/
>
> Also, everyone please stop the constant FUD about forced upgrades. We 
> get it, you use the OS you prefer and I will use the one I prefer.
>
>> On May 29, 2020, at 11:41 AM, pd-list-request at lists.iem.at 
>> <mailto:pd-list-request at lists.iem.at> wrote:
>>
>> Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 11:34:21 +0200
>> From: "hans w. koch" <hansw.koch at gmail.com <mailto:hansw.koch at gmail.com>>
>> To: Pd-List <pd-list at lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list at lists.iem.at>>
>> Subject: Re: [PD] Catalina makes Pd take too long to load externals? +
>> Other annoyances.
>> Message-ID: <2778DCC4-504E-4AFA-AFEC-93D3F6068F0C at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:2778DCC4-504E-4AFA-AFEC-93D3F6068F0C at gmail.com>>
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>> (had replied to this earlier, but to alexandre only, by mistake.)
>>
>> that annoying behaviour is called notarization and should protect the 
>> galaxy from evil bananas.
>> the delay could be caused by the notarization process checking 
>> against an internal database of good actors and in case there is no 
>> entry trying to do so online.
>> i´ve heard you can kill all this by turning off SIP (sytem integrity 
>> protection), but i am on mojave, which is slightly less annoying.
>>
>> in addittion, if some brave soul on cataline wants to check if that 
>> assumption about notarization is true, there is some info here:
>> https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/117896
>> so the test would be to measure with and without that stuff…but thats 
>> certainly not a generally recommandable case.
>>
>> best
>> hans
>
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