[PD] A fifth IMMEDIATE YES from New Blankets [Checking for interest: Scheme interpreter external for PD (Iain Duncan)]

Iain Duncan iainduncanlists at gmail.com
Thu Oct 22 18:12:56 CEST 2020 

Hi Miller, yes Bill and others on the Stanford cmdist list  have been super
helpful and supportive. I was very disappointed not to get to visit this
spring for the CCRMA workshops, darned covid!  I spent a couple of months
evaluating lisp/scheme possibilities last fall before settling on S7, and
have been very happy with the choice. Embedding and the FFI are extremely
simple, the Common Music stuff "just works", and it really does fit the
tradeoffs we want for computer music well. It has worked even better than I
hoped and expected in Max, and given the responses here so far, I will
embark on a PD port too. :-)

Thanks for the responses everyone, they are very encouraging. I imagine I
will need to focus on the V2 for max for the next couple of months but will
get going on PD port too, hopefully possible next semester!

iain


On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 9:07 AM Miller Puckette <msp at ucsd.edu> wrote:

> Pd also doesn't do "namspaces" so that reason holds for Pd as well.  ALSO,
> the people at Stanford are very open-source-friendly so having S7 in Pd
> will probably get some uptake there.
>
> cheers
> Miller
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 08:51:20AM -0700, Iain Duncan wrote:
> > Thanks Brad and Joe. Brad, yes I found your work when I was doing
> research,
> > and it was good validation that such a thing could work! I wound up going
> > with S7 over Common Lisp as the embedding story is really simple, and I
> > like the way S7 has CL macros but one simple namespace (similar to
> Clojure
> > and Janet) which works nicely in Max.
> >
> > iain
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 8:35 AM Brad Garton <garton at columbia.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > This sounds like a terrific project!
> > >
> > > I don't know if this is of interest, but I wrote a Common Lisp
> interpreter
> > > object for Max/MSP awhile ago.  The interpreter was implemented in
> java, so
> > > I'm not sure if it runs with contemporary Max/MSP-s (they dropped
> explicit
> > > java support, but I've heard from some that it still works).
> > >
> > >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://sites.music.columbia.edu/brad/maxlispj/__;!!Mih3wA!XHYP8qU-7B6AKNtBI2TzdG69ZAJ0T2B82BOkPQE62y3I2o3xgK5FpoMpgkjV$
> > >
> > > brad
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 7:32 AM Joe Deken <newblankets at newblankets.org
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello Ian,
> > >> (Allowing for time-zones and the dateline) I would eagerly like to be
> the
> > >>
> > >>         -- FIFTH IMMEDIATE HEARTY "YES" VOTE!? --
> > >>
> > >> From my own viewpoint, the introduction of LISP structures and
> capability
> > >> into
> > >> Pd would be seminal to new visions and vistas for Pd itself.  (I am
> warped
> > >> by having conversations
> > >> with Chris McCormick and other aficionados of Clojure, incorrigible
> years
> > >> myself with emacs-LISP, and even -- when dinosaurs roamed the earth,
> with
> > >> giants such as John McCarthy -- some small bit of tme of my own in his
> > >> shop and among his disciples at CSAIL.
> > >>
> > >> Lest my mind wander (further), I'll say this more concretely: New
> Blankets
> > >> is happy to offer resources
> > >> for your efforts if such resources would turn out to be useful. (Not
> the
> > >> dreaded "bounty" avenue -- I'm thinking more of something like a
> > >> *Pd-Weekend* at my place here in San Diego (or at yours) --  Such PdW
> > >> would be a "round workbench" session as Katja dubs  --  you could
> present
> > >> your PdScheme work (when you're ready) to a hands-on group who would
> riff
> > >> on your schemes  and move them forward.  At first attempt, this
> Pd-Weekend
> > >> could even be virtual and open to all via round-workbench sessions at
> say:
> > >>    --
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://meet.jit.si/duncan_pd_scheme/__;!!Mih3wA!XHYP8qU-7B6AKNtBI2TzdG69ZAJ0T2B82BOkPQE62y3I2o3xgK5Fpjp937Hb$
> --
> > >>
> > >> A personal plea ... hope you will include in your vision the wonderful
> > >> ideas of Brian Harvey and his SNAP! visual-interfacing achievements.
> (Some
> > >> antidote is needed with real LISP to counter the bogus infestation of
> > >> Scratch! which seems to have taken pernicious hold world wide ...)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, October 22, 2020 1:34 am, pd-list-request at lists.iem.at wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     1. Checking for interest: Scheme interpreter external for PD (Iain
> > >> Duncan)
> > >>
> > >> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> > > Message: 1
> > >> > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 20:14:26 -0700
> > >> > From: Iain Duncan <iainduncanlists at gmail.com>
> > >> > To: pd-list at lists.iem.at
> > >> > Subject: [PD] Checking for interest: Scheme interpreter external for
> > >> >       PD
> > >> > Hello, I'm the author of Scheme for Max, a relatively new open
> source
> > >> external for Max/MSP that hosts an embedded Scheme Lisp interpreter
> > >> using
> > >> > S7, the Scheme implementation from Bill at CCRMA, also used in Snd
> and
> > >> Common Music. The external allows one to do things like script and
> live
> > >> code Max in scheme, including evaluating lisp code on the fly from
> files
> > >> or
> > >> > message boxes, sending messages to other objects, writing to and
> from
> > >> common data structures, and interacting with the scheduler. I'm pretty
> > >> excited about how well it's working for my purposes, and will be
> doing a
> > >> new release this fall as part of my MMus at UVic, as well as turning
> it
> > >> into a thesis project. I also intend to include full support for the
> > >> Common
> > >> > Music algorithmic composition toolkit (which also is programmed in
> S7
> > >> scheme or SAL)
> > >> >
> > >> > I have been kicking around the idea of trying a PD port, and wanted
> to
> > >> check whether this sounded interesting to folks in PD land. I like the
> > >> idea
> > >> > of port because it's always good to be have one's work usable on
> more
> > >> than
> > >> > one platform, and linux support would be good for low latency use
> cases
> > >> and
> > >> > things like running on small machines. I expect this would be a
> > >> > significant
> > >> > amount of work though, so figured I'd see if it sounded interesting
> to
> > >> folks first.
> > >> >
> > >> > You can get the idea of how it works from the v1 demo video if you
> want
> > >> to
> > >> > see what I'm getting at.
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErirIFCTdjg__;!!Mih3wA!XHYP8qU-7B6AKNtBI2TzdG69ZAJ0T2B82BOkPQE62y3I2o3xgK5FppmGcy9f$
> > >> >
> > >> > Comments, questions, feedback welcome.
> > >> >
> > >> > Iain
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> > Message: 2
> > >> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:35:01 +0200
> > >> > From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at>
> > >> ...
> > >> > so now that you ask: i think it would be great.
> > >> >
> > >> > gfadmsr
> > >> > IOhannes
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> > Message: 3
> > >> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 09:56:16 +0200
> > >> > From: "Peter P." <peterparker at fastmail.com>
> > >>
> > >> ...
> > >> > It would be great to have esp common list available in Pd as part
> of an
> > >> open-source licensed external indeed.
> > >> > ------------------------------
> > >>
> > >>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> > Message: 4
> > >> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:49:59 +0100
> > >> > From: Andy Farnell <padawan12 at obiwannabe.co.uk>
> > >> ....
> > >> >
> > >> > Would love to see Scheme come to Pd.
> > >> > Thanks for that Iain.
> > >> >
> > >> > Andy
> > >>
> > >>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> > Message: 5
> > >> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 10:27:10 +0200
> > >> > From: ub <ub at xdv.org>
> > >> ....
> > >> > i first met functional programming with fluxus and it turned my head
> > >> inside out. %-)
> > >> >
> > >> > would be absolutely great to have that in pd!
> > >> >
> > >> > cheers,
> > >> >
> > >> > ub
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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